public apology to the shroud group.

[Loki]

That, or Google.

/qft.

Google does not judge you. If it did, Rule #34 probably wouldn't exist.

[Rameses]

My only thought reading this is...

64 Pots on 4 normal Shroud runs?

Using myddo.com awesome idea for getting a snapshot of the character when he/she logged. Not defenitive when trying to deduce how the character will preform the function you are looking at. But does help weed out the Arcane Archers *pew pew*

Once again... Really it's a normal shroud run and you're sweating DR breakers. Even without a DR breaker it's possible to consistantly hit for 30ish-40ish non-crit minus any weapon effects naturally with a Khopesh.
I could understand if this was a Harder completion: looking for DR breakers, but on normal. C'mon.

Lastly I'd have joined with my Monk. I think that would have been a tell all.

But then again. Please discount anything I have said because I have pug'd the shroud once recently and was shocked at how pathetic Argonnessen pug'rs are.

I am, Rameses!

[KylarJ]

But then again. Please discount anything I have said because I have pug'd the shroud once recently and was shocked at how pathetic Argonnessen pug'rs are.

I have recently been levelling a FvS healer/caster and am therefore dependent on groups until I get BB. And yes...the pugs I have seen have set all-time new lows for incompetence and stupidity, and sapped all the enjoyment from it. Levelling that FvS has been my Worst DDO Experience Ever, and had it been my first toon I'd never have stayed.

However, I find it difficult to imagine that Argonessen has a monopoly on this, especially with all the sterling work that Korthos Army do to guild-tag all the worst players for us all (keep it up, boys!).

Is it worse on Argonessen, or is it simply this bad across all of the servers courtesy of the F2P phenomenon, and Argonesseners are no more maligned than anyone else? If it is particuarly noticeable on Argonessen, then why?!

I am, Rameses!

You sure?

[Rameses]

I have recently been levelling a FvS healer/caster and am therefore dependent on groups until I get BB. And yes...the pugs I have seen have set all-time new lows for incompetence and stupidity, and sapped all the enjoyment from it. Levelling that FvS has been my Worst DDO Experience Ever, and had it been my first toon I'd never have stayed.
Join date Oct 09
However, I find it difficult to imagine that Argonessen has a monopoly on this, especially with all the sterling work that Korthos Army do to guild-tag all the worst players for us all (keep it up, boys!).
Bad Form naming guilds.
Is it worse on Argonessen, or is it simply this bad across all of the servers courtesy of the F2P phenomenon, and Argonesseners are no more maligned than anyone else? If it is particuarly noticeable on Argonessen, then why?!
A solid player will carry any PuG. Period.




You sure? Take note. I am.

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I am, Rameses!

[KylarJ]

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Er...yes. Thanks for those. Don't really see how they add anything relevant...

1) I joined in Oct 09. So what?

2) I mentioned KA in a positive light, right?

3) Ahh good to know. So when we wipe on part IV of the Shroud because the healers ran out of mana and didn't have any potions, it's because there wasn't one good guy in the pug. That would be the wisdom of your great experience because you joined before Oct 09, I presume?

[ArichValtrahn]

That, or Google.

I lol'd.

[Rameses]

Er...yes. Thanks for those. Don't really see how they add anything relevant...

1) I joined in Oct 09. So what?

2) I mentioned KA in a positive light, right?

3) Ahh good to know. So when we wipe on part IV of the Shroud because the healers ran out of mana and didn't have any potions, it's because there wasn't one good guy in the pug. That would be the wisdom of your great experience because you joined before Oct 09, I presume?

o ah you got me... Thanks for adding. +1 Reps
Good luck you'll be needing it.

I am, Rameses!

[KylarJ]

Good luck you'll be needing it.

Hey, thanks dude. My monk is based on your water build, so I always need luck

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Once again... Really it's a normal shroud run and you're sweating DR breakers. Even without a DR breaker it's possible to consistantly hit for 30ish-40ish non-crit minus any weapon effects naturally with a Khopesh.
I could understand if this was a Harder completion: looking for DR breakers, but on normal. C'mon.

These new players don't seem to know that in the beginning we used to do this with only half the party having usable weapons and no one over L16. And yet 2 clerics did it, usually in 3 rounds for pt4.

Met/Trans of PG was rather expensive and not always available in the beginning.

And of course on a dex character a holy/pg or GEO bane will still do some nice damage, even if not a transmuter as harry only has partial fort.

It's nice of course when everyone is dual weilding MinIIs

[Osharan_Tregarth]

My only thought reading this is...

64 Pots on 4 normal Shroud runs?

Using myddo.com awesome idea for getting a snapshot of the character when he/she logged. Not defenitive when trying to deduce how the character will preform the function you are looking at. But does help weed out the Arcane Archers *pew pew*

Once again... Really it's a normal shroud run and you're sweating DR breakers. Even without a DR breaker it's possible to consistantly hit for 30ish-40ish non-crit minus any weapon effects naturally with a Khopesh.
I could understand if this was a Harder completion: looking for DR breakers, but on normal. C'mon.

Lastly I'd have joined with my Monk. I think that would have been a tell all.

But then again. Please discount anything I have said because I have pug'd the shroud once recently and was shocked at how pathetic Argonnessen pug'rs are.

I am, Rameses!

Sadly enough, the pug shroud scene on argo really is just as pathetic as the op has said.

Unless you luck into one of the established guild runs, who are just throwing up an lfm because they don't care who or what comes along, I can see needing to eat that many pots to carry groups through EASILY.

When I was leveling my melee fvs, and looking for part I shards, I pretty much exclusively pugged the shroud for about two weeks. It was a somewhat painful experience.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Sadly enough, the pug shroud scene on argo really is just as pathetic as the op has said.

Unless you luck into one of the established guild runs, who are just throwing up an lfm because they don't care who or what comes along, I can see needing to eat that many pots to carry groups through EASILY.

When I was leveling my melee fvs, and looking for part I shards, I pretty much exclusively pugged the shroud for about two weeks. It was a somewhat painful experience.

But did you chug that many pots Ish or just say "eh, this group isn't gonna cut it" and cut your losses? After a couple I'd hope you'd let the group fail and form a new one unless they were donating.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

But did you chug that many pots Ish or just say "eh, this group isn't gonna cut it" and cut your losses? After a couple I'd hope you'd let the group fail and form a new one unless they were donating.

The bulk of them got the "cut your losses" answer. The ones that seemed like they might actually have a chance to complete, I chugged away. The high count on my pot usage for one run was 12. Others ranged from 2-6 pots used. Some runs actually had a couple of guildies or members of other well known guilds with me along in the pugs, so I didn't use any on those.

If I'd attempted to "pot my way through" the other runs, I'd guess it would have been a minimum of 15 pots per run.

[GenPurpose]

I've had this issue before on a couple of occasions with players (who often prove to be completely useless of their own accord) demanding that I try and prove my worth before attempting to join a raid. I admit I find that annoying enough that I will not join, just on principle as an acknowledged and very competent healer.
But, it's a fair question to ask because there really are just that many inexperienced players around that genuinely do not understand the mechanics of the game and consistently wipe groups. (Case and point, I just had a group fail 3 times on Hound because only 3 people, including myself the squishy bard, actually consented to keep moving around the outside and actually kill things)
The only thing that saves me from this torrent of newb is time, building up an unwritten invitation to the groups of good players who fill raids with people whom they know to be useful.
Give it a while and work your way into the good graces of the good ones, and you wont have to worry about that nonsense so much any more.

[Tendare]

Hey, thanks dude. My monk is based on your water build, so I always need luck

WOW, I read the forums alot but don't post much and never get into the back and forth **** that goes on, but dude this comment stinks.

Ram doesn't need anyone to stick up for him, I'm sure but just had to tell you that if you want to diss somebody then maybe you should wait till you've been playing for more than a few months.

[KRaNiX1337]

Actually, if this is who I think it is, he solo healed a non pug group formed by accelaration just a couple days before, no deaths, no major pot usage. Solid healing. Good guy.

He didnt *****, whine, complain. He didnt vet our worthyness.

And just cos you guys choose not to vet your pug spots, doesnt mean others shouldnt too. I vet everyone, MyDDO gets checked, and if they are maxed without crafting and gear, they are welcome. If however their stats are completely pathetic or under 400 hp for a melee toon, they get turned down. Same goes for builds, guild names, etc. I check all 3. If its a decent guild or build, it doesnt matter the equipment. If you come from one of the ass guilds however, you don't even get a response.

I've had this issue before on a couple of occasions with players (who often prove to be completely useless of their own accord) demanding that I try and prove my worth before attempting to join a raid. I admit I find that annoying enough that I will not join, just on principle as an acknowledged and very competent healer.
But, it's a fair question to ask because there really are just that many inexperienced players around that genuinely do not understand the mechanics of the game and consistently wipe groups. (Case and point, I just had a group fail 3 times on Hound because only 3 people, including myself the squishy bard, actually consented to keep moving around the outside and actually kill things)
The only thing that saves me from this torrent of newb is time, building up an unwritten invitation to the groups of good players who fill raids with people whom they know to be useful.
Give it a while and work your way into the good graces of the good ones, and you wont have to worry about that nonsense so much any more.

[Rameses]

Hey, thanks dude. My monk is based on your water build, so I always need luck

ignoring your poorly veiled attempt at an insult I will comment that the water monk build was made when monks 1st came out. When stunning fist and quivering palm where 90% effective against trash mobs. That build has been progressed way beyond those days.
Now if you want to continue and wax your e-peen feel free and PM otherwise drop the NH'n *****.

I am, Rameses!

[KylarJ]

ignoring your poorly veiled attempt at an insult I will comment that the water monk build was made when monks 1st came out. When stunning fist and quivering palm where 90% effective against trash mobs. That build has been progressed way beyond those days.
Now if you want to continue and wax your e-peen feel free and PM otherwise drop the NH'n *****.

I am, Rameses!

Actually, it wasn't a poorly-veiled insult, it was a back-handed compliment.

People always assume the worst on the interforumweb. No sense of humour anymore.

I had a lot of fun with that water build, and still think it's awesome as a levelling build until 18.

Anyway.

What's next?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

The bulk of them got the "cut your losses" answer. The ones that seemed like they might actually have a chance to complete, I chugged away. The high count on my pot usage for one run was 12. Others ranged from 2-6 pots used. Some runs actually had a couple of guildies or members of other well known guilds with me along in the pugs, so I didn't use any on those.

If I'd attempted to "pot my way through" the other runs, I'd guess it would have been a minimum of 15 pots per run.

Yeah, I've spent some pots on groups that were going badly but were fun groups and had some chance too.

[PopeJual]

Edit: removed my mini-rant after I saw KylarJ's statement that it was a poorly worded compliment.

[Tabun]

Actually, it wasn't a poorly-veiled insult, it was a back-handed compliment.

People always assume the worst on the interforumweb. No sense of humour anymore.

I had a lot of fun with that water build, and still think it's awesome as a levelling build until 18.

Anyway.

What's next?

This mIm.