Lets compare Tempest 1 vs STWF

[dragonofsteel]

Hmm tempest three cost 3 feats and 4enchancment points. STWF=1feat(20% gaining 100% off hand attacks), Tempest one, 10% that does not stack pass 100% to off hand attack. 2AC shield bonus, easy enough to add umd to build for shield wands. JUST GETTING HARD TO SEE WHAT THE HELL THE GREAT BENIFIT TO TEMPEST IS ANYMORE. 5% double attack?, hmm sounds like insane amount added dps woot... 1 out 20 of my main hand attacks will hit twice )))). Dam that dps boost for the whole line.. Think rather have the kensi surge or the barb's frenzy, dam even the arcane archers ability. THANKS TRUBINE HAVE TO THINK OF NEW WAY TO MAKE MY FAVOR TOON PLAY TO HIS MAX ABILITY. I not mad about nerfing to true to take down lag, but when do you guys look cost vs affect for the line. IT USE TO BE ONE THE BEST, now its pretty much trash. I would add more damge by going arcane archer and switching to duel wielding after my many shoot. (I HATE BOWS), but love my hybrid class rangers.. OH YEAH THX FOR MAKING MORE PRODUTIVE TO ARCANE FOR THE TWF TEMPEST BUILDS :-) More dps added in many shoot for 20seconds then will be added in this double attack for 2 min. hmmm hard choose. (One feat takes care of the off-hand)

[DemonMage]

Why are you comparing against something that won't be going live?

[Coldin]

STWF isn't being added to the game.

[TiranBlade]

So even if STWF is on Lam it's not going beyond?

[DemonMage]

Correct. The Lamannia build is behind the Release Candidate build.

[Merlocke]

Thankfully, its not going to be added. my reaction was pretty much the same thing until they said they're not implementing it live, which is good.


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Maybe they listened. still, the cutting of the 10% the speed bonus is weak. I think it was hate for the 6 ranger splashes.

[TechNoFear]

Hmm tempest three cost 3 feats and 4enchancment points. <snip>

Don't you think that the cost was low for what you got with tempest 1? Name any other PrE tier one that will increase your DPS by ~17%.

No other class could get a similar effect until much higher level (ftr 20, pal 14, etc).
No other PrE gave so much bonus (of the PrEs total effect) at tier 1 as Tempest, to the point where the tier 2 and 3 where almost useless.

IMO the Tempest PrE is now well balanced and offers real incentive to progress to Tempest 2/3.

[Temko]

Don't you think that the cost was low for what you got with tempest 1? Name any other PrE tier one that will increase your DPS by ~17%.

No other class could get a similar effect until much higher level (ftr 20, pal 14, etc).
No other PrE gave so much bonus (of the PrEs total effect) at tier 1 as Tempest, to the point where the tier 2 and 3 where almost useless.

IMO the Tempest PrE is now well balanced and offers real incentive to progress to Tempest 2/3.

go go explioter builds! join me in the madness that is the DPS explioter instead of the AC fishmonger.

[78mackson]

IMO the Tempest PrE is now well balanced and offers real incentive to progress to Tempest 2/3.

really? its basicly ranger 18 or gimpage.. (50% less choice then before )

[Zack77]

I for one say Tempest III is worth the investment. 100% offhand chance and +10% double-strike chance is worth the investment(that, and I love rangers!!)

[Visty]

I for one say Tempest III is worth the investment. 100% offhand chance and +10% double-strike chance is worth the investment(that, and I love rangers!!)

the 100% offhand is at tempest2 already
and isnt it just 5% doublestrike?

[Emili]

the 100% offhand is at tempest2 already
and isnt it just 5% doublestrike?

Yes

[Emili]

OP, we and the devs all knew tempest I prior was too nice... I have no issue with that per-say at all with the redistribution of it. But what is annoying however is that the melee in lammania feel like they're fighting in jello and as a player feel less in control and skill needed to play ... the combat system feels like skill matters not ... building matters less and overall less fun in those areas.