Nerf your Nerf Turbine

[rykim]

If you're going to make all these sweeping changes across the board, then why don't you offer/give everyone 2 free feat exchanges so they can keep up with your changes/nerfs to the game. And for two weapon and 2 handed builds, give them 3 so they can take advantage of your changes.

All I'm asking is that you be fair and equitable Turbine. Instead of bleeding us for Turbine Points.

[Rice]

Agreed. For a big change like this, it's only fair.

Respeccing as a whole should be included within the game and not be a TP exclusive thing.

[LadyKallie]

Wish people would just give it a rest. Turbine will do what is best for the game and if that means changing something that some people don't like then so be it. But complaining about it day after day is pointless and makes you look like a child not getting his own way.

[Consumer]

Wish people would just give it a rest. Turbine will do what is best for the game and if that means changing something that some people don't like then so be it. But complaining about it day after day is pointless and makes you look like a child not getting his own way.

Feel free to go away



Most games I've played will either reset a toon for you or will give the player the option when a large change is made. I see no reason why Turbine shouldn't do the same.

[LadyKallie]

How about you don't tell me what to do. I have been around since this game was actually Stormreach before it went F2P. Turbine does what is best for the game. You don't like it then too bad

[MrWizard]

well, major changes do have effects that cause or need respecs at times.

in the old days, you had to retire your toon or reroll (and lose all bound to character gear)..example: batman builds.

We'll just have to see how it goes, but would believe they have something to make us feel better about the cost of any respeccs.

[shadosatblackphoenix]

Wish people would just give it a rest. Turbine will do what is best for the game and if that means changing something that some people don't like then so be it. But complaining about it day after day is pointless and makes you look like a child not getting his own way.

I hope you don't apply that logic to all the services you pay for. Otherwise you must get screwed quite often in the real world and just shrug and move on instead of asking for a return/compensation/money back? Wow.

[Wizard_Zero]

Give everyone a free Heart of Wood.

[MrWizard]

Give everyone a free Heart of Wood.

for each affected character

[Buggss]

Then I suggest you stay away from forums. Forums = people complaining.

I understand what you mean but it's not what you said; Forums are for people to offer their opinions which in some cases includes complaining, offering constructive suggestions and giving feedback.

How about you don't tell me what to do. I have been around since this game was actually Stormreach before it went F2P. Turbine does what is best for the game. You don't like it then too bad

You played SINCE before F2P?! OOOOO You vet you, ain't you special?

Be serious, many people (myself included) have played in various formats since or before launch and have seen every change and alteration in the game. In mant cases we've seen long-term players get annoyed about changes in the game and many, many of them leave, none of which has been for the "best of the game". The difference with DDO is the maturity of the majority of the players compared to most MMO's so one person leaving invariably drags many others away.

Trust me, Turbine has performed some BIG mistakes over the years. People DO have a right to complain, after all we are paying. Of course we have the right not to pay and at some point people reach that point and do so.

Everytime (well, not EVERYtime) it's a loss for the game

Give everyone a free Heart of Wood.

This would make good sense to me, binding of course. Specifically for those who spent 4+ years on a character based around TWF melee, created gear and playstyles only now to have it significantly changed. You'll notice I said changed, not nerfed as we don't know yet whether or not it'll be a bad or a good change.

Either way it's a big change and people shoul be able to change too if they want to.

That's enough for now....

[Xeraphim]

Give everyone a free Heart of Wood.

In the past we were given free things for all characters created after a certain date. I don't doubt that this may happen in the case of update 5, but I have been wrong before.


I'd personally like to see them decline the request and ask instead that players buy Lesser Hearts of Wood. In the case of Exploiters that made builds designed to take advantage of certain overpowered traits, they should be made to buy the hearts of wood that will permit them a class respec as well, as I would expect to.

[rykim]

Wish people would just give it a rest. Turbine will do what is best for the game and if that means changing something that some people don't like then so be it. But complaining about it day after day is pointless and makes you look like a child not getting his own way.

How many toons do you have that you've worked on for months (or years) raiding and gearing up?

The reason why I'm asking you this is to see if you can see it from another point of view. If you have not worked a lot of toons, then how would you be able to understand the people who have been playing for years?

All I've stated in this post is that I'd like something to even out the destabilizing that Turbine's doing with these changes. Instead of just bitc*in about it like you're implying, I'm asking them to moderate the damage they're doing. It's a proactive suggestion.. not just a bitc* session.

[LadyKallie]

Forums are not for complaining. Forums are for asking questions from the whole player base that you can't do in game. I have playing MMOs since 2004, UO, SWG, EQ 1 and 2, Guild Wars, DDO Stormreach, Warhammer, LOTRO and of course WoW. So as you can see I have leveled a lot of toons. I just go with the flow if there are changes. I don't complain because it usually doesn't get you anywhere.

[Kalari]

Forums are not for complaining. Forums are for asking questions from the whole player base that you can't do in game. I have playing MMOs since 2004, UO, SWG, EQ 1 and 2, Guild Wars, DDO Stormreach, Warhammer, LOTRO and of course WoW. So as you can see I have leveled a lot of toons. I just go with the flow if there are changes. I don't complain because it usually doesn't get you anywhere.

Welcome to ddo, and sorry to say this but your wrong, our devs invite our feed back even have dedicated areas outside our general forums which allows anything as long as its not against guidelines. You may have your experience with other mmos but touting off things like "it doesnt matter" shows how little you know about how our game and the way they allow us to voice our opinions work. Not only do they allow us our rants but they allow us to provide feedback even if we are against things. they give us surveys and polls outside these forums as well. So while it may seem to you like what we say doesnt matter, there is a history that says it does, and no matter how much whining it seems like we are allowed to do so until a Mod says otherwise.

[rykim]

Forums are not for complaining. Forums are for asking questions from the whole player base that you can't do in game. I have playing MMOs since 2004, UO, SWG, EQ 1 and 2, Guild Wars, DDO Stormreach, Warhammer, LOTRO and of course WoW. So as you can see I have leveled a lot of toons. I just go with the flow if there are changes. I don't complain because it usually doesn't get you anywhere.

Seriously?

Who made you the forum police? You telling me the player base can't voice their opinions of changes to the game? That we should just bend over and take it? That we just keep paying for a game that we can't voice an opinion about? Come on... Really?

You don't complain cause it doesn't get you any where? Do you enjoy getting pushed around?

BTW I was asking how many high level toons you have in THIS GAME... not some other MMO. Because we ARE discussing DDO aren't we?

As we've been told in many disclaimers.. your game experience may vary....

[KillEveryone]

Forums are not for complaining. Forums are for asking questions from the whole player base that you can't do in game. I have playing MMOs since 2004, UO, SWG, EQ 1 and 2, Guild Wars, DDO Stormreach, Warhammer, LOTRO and of course WoW. So as you can see I have leveled a lot of toons. I just go with the flow if there are changes. I don't complain because it usually doesn't get you anywhere.

If I want to complain then I will. I know no other way to get someone from Turbine to hear my concerns.

My idea of fun is building the best build that I can and then playing with that character.

I'm a min/maxer.

I'm a powergamer.

I don't do casual.

I'm outspoken as a person. If I think you need to know what I'm thinking then you will hear what I'm thinking and this forums allows me to tell Turbine what I'm thinking.

I've posted several time before...pointed out by another forumite...but I agree about the respec thing. If Turbine changes the rules that we all built our characters using then they should give a respec for those characters affected. We don't know where they are going to go with the game otherwise we could build their changes into our characters but we don't so we didn't. That does take away from some of the fun.

I would rather they added STWF in so that my off hand gets 100% instead of 80% for my fighter and rogue. I liked the idea of having a vorpal or paralizer in the off hand being useful but I'm unsure if that will be the case. I liked having a nice DPS build. I sacraficed some CON to add to DEX so that I could have a TWF DPS but now it is going to be "balanced." Fighters are about the only build that I can accept a lower CON score than what I typically use. I had to sacrafice a few STR for my rogue so i can get the DEX and a few extra points into INT and WIS to be able to deal with traps but I didn't sacrafice CON there.

DnD wasn't really ever balanced. Every character had their strengths and weeknesses. That has been the way of the game. A barbarian has a lot of HP and STR but no AC. A fighter can be versitle but if you go TWF you do give up something and since AC means nothing untill you have some specific gear then DPS was what you got for sacrificing some HP.

A rogue is the only class that offers Traps or Lockpicking. Are we going to add another class that can do this so that we can "balance" things. One class with this type ability is over powered. There are 2 types of arcanes that can nuke, 2 types of divines that can be offensive casters or healers. 2 types of melee focused classes that have some survivability on the front line. Rangers and rogues are dps but they don't have very many hp. Monks can be in the same boat but they can hit a meaningful AC without some crazy grind.

Watchout monks...Turbine is giving you AC without a grind. You will probably be next on the nerf list since that is overpowered.

[Clay]

Forums are not for complaining. Forums are for asking questions from the whole player base that you can't do in game. I have playing MMOs since 2004, UO, SWG, EQ 1 and 2, Guild Wars, DDO Stormreach, Warhammer, LOTRO and of course WoW. So as you can see I have leveled a lot of toons. I just go with the flow if there are changes. I don't complain because it usually doesn't get you anywhere.

bah. Get your head out of the sand... Do you know any vibrant community filled with only One kind of person?

You play the game your way, I'll play my way. I'll post my way, and you post your way... as long as neither of us break the rules... neither of us is wrong. Your complaining about my complaining is childish, like a child not getting it's way. Live and let live. not everyone has to enjoy the game/forums the way you do... so i flip your own advice back to you: let it go.

Someone breaks the rules... cal them on it... someone posts an opinion different from your own... post a reply that does not consist solely of: stop complaining. That is as childish as" that's what you are but what am I."

[Deathseeker]

Forums are not for complaining. Forums are for asking questions from the whole player base that you can't do in game. I have playing MMOs since 2004, UO, SWG, EQ 1 and 2, Guild Wars, DDO Stormreach, Warhammer, LOTRO and of course WoW. So as you can see I have leveled a lot of toons. I just go with the flow if there are changes. I don't complain because it usually doesn't get you anywhere.

LadyKallie, your entire line of posts in this thread are just as inflammatory and non-productive as those you are complaining about. I'm someone who is looking forward to U5, thinks the reaction to the nerfs is way over-the-top, and is generally a very positive supporter of the direction the devs have taken the game. But with all that said, I find your approach here just as non-productive as all of those "omg sky is falling, devs hate us" threads.

Forums are for dialogue and feedback. Some of us are giving positive feedback to what's coming. Others are complaining. Complaints are just as legitimate as positive feedback. As long as it's done in a productive way following forum guidelines, it's useful feedback even if you disagree.

You have every right to post what you are posting of course, just as the doom and gloom sky is falling complainers do, but it's just as unproductive no matter which side of the debate you are on.

[Pithrin]

Forums are not for complaining. Forums are for asking questions from the whole player base that you can't do in game. I have playing MMOs since 2004, UO, SWG, EQ 1 and 2, Guild Wars, DDO Stormreach, Warhammer, LOTRO and of course WoW. So as you can see I have leveled a lot of toons. I just go with the flow if there are changes. I don't complain because it usually doesn't get you anywhere.

Forums are for the passionate and the purposeful. They're also social playgrounds. I applaud your dedication to so many MMO's and I like your willingness to accept change and adapt.

However, I like to see critical discussion and suggestions for improvement. I like the whimsical threads. I even like the occasional /rant now and then because at some time in my MMO career I may have had similar feelings.

What I'm saying is.. the forums are a melting pot of many things; a buffet if you will. It's up to each individual to look over the various topics and decide what to digest. Some items are so good that you'll go back for seconds. Others are worth an honorable mention. And, when it comes to those unpalatable threads, sometimes it's easier on the digestion just to turn and walk away. Who knows? Those whining threads that I just can't stomach might be a delicacy to another. To each there own I say.


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[Chai]

Forums are not for complaining. Forums are for asking questions from the whole player base that you can't do in game. I have playing MMOs since 2004, UO, SWG, EQ 1 and 2, Guild Wars, DDO Stormreach, Warhammer, LOTRO and of course WoW. So as you can see I have leveled a lot of toons. I just go with the flow if there are changes. I don't complain because it usually doesn't get you anywhere.

Yeah, instead of complaining people need to vote with their wallets, like they did in SWG when they deleted entire classes from the game and people who put alot of hard work in said forget this, and left.

Also, how many of those games you named other than this had multiclassing. Its a bit different when you are locked into a template and cant really screw up a toon to the point where you would need to delete it if nerfs made it no longer effective. SWG had multi-skill trees - and laid down huge nerfs. People woke up and logged into the game to find they had blank templates instead of a viable toon when they deleted classes right out of the game. Oh, and how is that game doing again?