VON 1 epic = 0 guild favor and 51 Epic Token Fragments

[landona54]

Formed guild on Lamania, 3 manned Von 1 with a newly redone Radiant servant 2 which will make everyone go back to clerics from favored souls. However I received 51 dungeon fragments 3 bags dropped 1 fragment and the other 2 party members received 71 and 75 token fragments. The problem is Kobold assault gives 200 guild renown...and Von 1 epic gives 0?? Hello Korthos Army for the biggest airship.

[Drfirewater79]

I am betting this is a ploy to get people like you and me who love to do epic missions and dont do alot of full group stuff to do two things ...

1) you want renown ... then party in guild groups of 6 (or more in raid) and do missions over and over and only misisons with high kill counts like coalesnce which is the most hated quest in the game today but drops a ton of bags ...

2) epic items easier to get due to lowered dc's but tokens harder to get cause of changes.... my suggestion is farming them too ... take on quests with more bad buys and recall out break and reform before end fight ... you will get more tokens by farming bags then you will on completion and higher chance at getting scrolls in the process

and again do it with guildies and in larger groups faster easier runs and more fragments.

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I think they want us to be grinding forever and just wanted to make it a little easier to do so we dont complain about more grinding ... however they did say harder dungeons would drop more so i expected von 1 and 2 as well as some of the house D missions would not drop enough fragments to form a full token ...

still i would suggest with the changes that turbine remove epic timer from missions now and only have it on raids.

[Mellkor]

Fragments Is a dumb idea.

I prefered the original system of one or more tokens in the end chest. Now as it is different people get different amounts of fragments, hardly fair at all. an epic quest should be worth at least 1 epic token at a minimum, given the absurdly large amounts of them required to upgrade just a few epic items.

Only thing I don't like about the original system is that epic raid tokens are about as useful as **** on a bull.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Fragments Is a dumb idea.

I prefered the original system of one or more tokens in the end chest. Now as it is different people get different amounts of fragments, hardly fair at all. an epic quest should be worth at least 1 epic token at a minimum, given the absurdly large amounts of them required to upgrade just a few epic items.

Only thing I don't like about the original system is that epic raid tokens are about as useful as **** on a bull.

Continuing to move more towards the WoW like ninga looting system for valuable items is stupid. One of the strengths of DDO was that loot fell in your name in the chest and that collectable tokens (going back as far as Invaders and continuing with non-casual pie pieces in Shroud) fell equally for all.

[Tolero]

For the time being I am going to clone this thread into the guild forum for the information pertaining to renown. You may continue to use this discussion thread for epic token discussion though. The cloned thread will be focused on the guild aspect of things.

[Wizzly_Bear]

2) epic items easier to get due to lowered dc's but tokens harder to get cause of changes.... my suggestion is farming them too ... take on quests with more bad buys and recall out break and reform before end fight ... you will get more tokens by farming bags then you will on completion and higher chance at getting scrolls in the process

and again do it with guildies and in larger groups faster easier runs and more fragments.

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Why would I want a large group when I kill thousands of epic monsters with 1 other person much more easily and have fewer people to divide loot with? See pic in my goodbye thread.

[TheJusticar]

Formed guild on Lamania, 3 manned Von 1 with a newly redone Radiant servant 2 which will make everyone go back to clerics from favored souls. However I received 51 dungeon fragments 3 bags dropped 1 fragment and the other 2 party members received 71 and 75 token fragments. The problem is Kobold assault gives 200 guild renown...and Von 1 epic gives 0?? Hello Korthos Army for the biggest airship.

That really sucks, Landos. This game really is heading straight to the can

[Cyr]

Wow so a ~50% reduction in tokens per Von 1 run. The nerfs keep on rolling with nerfgate.

[Drfirewater79]

Why would I want a large group when I kill thousands of epic monsters with 1 other person much more easily and have fewer people to divide loot with? See pic in my goodbye thread.

cause the farming is slower over all ... with mission timers you can only farm so much at once and since the easy to two man missions are dropping extreamly low numbers of fragments it makes more sense to do it in larger groups guildies only and farm them in mass with others ... there is no divide for loot cept scrolls ... they are the only things that drop and can be traded amongst players ... everything else is in the chest (seals and shards) and the more people opening the chest the more likely someone will pull something they dont need and let you roll on it ...

no longer worth doing the missions to completion in a partial party ... that being said ... its still valid to farm tokens solo rather then in a two man group even.

[Wizzly_Bear]

cause the farming is slower over all ... with mission timers you can only farm so much at once and since the easy to two man missions are dropping extreamly low numbers of fragments it makes more sense to do it in larger groups guildies only and farm them in mass with others ... there is no divide for loot cept scrolls ... they are the only things that drop and can be traded amongst players ... everything else is in the chest (seals and shards) and the more people opening the chest the more likely someone will pull something they dont need and let you roll on it ...

no longer worth doing the missions to completion in a partial party ... that being said ... its still valid to farm tokens solo rather then in a two man group even.

Its much easier to keep two alive for farming epic monster death for drops than it is to keep a party alive, and fewer rolls on scrolls. And its not slower. Check my pic, other bodies are just to drag stuff to me.

[Drfirewater79]

Wow so a ~50% reduction in tokens per Von 1 run. The nerfs keep on rolling with nerfgate.

but really you didnt see this coming when they said easier missions would now be getting fragments rather then full tokens and harder missions would be getting two tokens ...

has anyone checked out the other missions like chains of flame in desert yet?

betting we could (could as in random chance) see a couple missions drop 100-300 shards if we are lucky with bag drops and now they are farm able if you dont complete the mission right?

[MalakRevan]

Well this sucks, hope all the dungeons are not like this.

I, for some reason, had thought that shorter quests like the Sentinels and maybe VoN 1 and 2 would drop fragments but everything else would drop full tokens. Can anyone confirm this to be true?

edit: see post by DrFire

[landona54]

Couple of other items, monk weighted stun obviously nerfed as the monk in our party was much slower to stun enemies and complained that his ki generation was significantly decreased. My old dreamsplitter was not changed and the proc rate was good on neg levels when stunned. Also we had a double tr wiz that used to be effective on hold monster in epic, however a majority of the enemies came equipped with FOM....so much for lowering saves....if you can't use them.

[Cetus]

Couple of other items, monk weighted stun obviously nerfed as the monk in our party was much slower to stun enemies and complained that his ki generation was significantly decreased. My old dreamsplitter was not changed and the proc rate was good on neg levels when stunned. Also we had a double tr wiz that used to be effective on hold monster in epic, however a majority of the enemies came equipped with FOM....so much for lowering saves....if you can't use them.

These guys had FOM?!

btw I think you are muted in vent, I can't contact you nooob.

[Cetus]

S0o0o0o0o0o0o0.....

Your ESOS is nerfed

Your weighted handwraps are nerfed

They can't be held....

AND you get token fragments....


AWESOME

I don't know whether I want to laugh or cry, maybe a bit of both?

[bradleyforrest]

These guys had FOM?!

btw I think you are muted in vent, I can't contact you nooob.

Wow. There goes my main reason for TRing the character that I'm working on right now. I TRed from a 20 Sorc into a Wiz planning on being able to MHM and have a high DC on it. Now it's not going to work? Thanks Turbine. I want my $12 back for that heart.