The death of melee

[Slorgs]

As a consultant, people complain about performance, then IT comes along with a spreadsheet and declares "our numbers say performance is acceptable". It doesn't matter what the spreadsheet says, it's what the user feels. Your number may be in the "acceptable range" but to the user it still feels like ****, and they won't want to to use the product. It's all about perception.

Playing my melee toons no longer feels good. Especially my monk. It doesn't "feel" right anymore.

You still kill stuff in approx the same amount of time, in fact Amrath quests seemed easier. Devil's still hit 99.9% of the time above 65 AC but they hit softer, and everything's hit points seem to go down faster.

Weighted. Whatever. Stunning fist at 39 DC hits about 5% of the time. Useless. Nerfs.

I still have Bard, FvS, and casters that I can play, but for me there's too much changed, and it all feels wrong.

For me I think it's time for a break.

[grodon9999]

I'm not going to rage quit because I have a little hope that Turbine will come to it's senses and undo this silliness before it goes live. Me TWF melee will become a bank toon until the pendulum swings back in the direction that makes sense.

[Slorgs]

Not rage, just not fun anymore.

[kaelis]

Not rage, just not fun anymore.

You'll get over it, they've done nerfs like this in the past. Likely before you showed up, once its not fresh in your mind, it won't be hte "d00m" your thinking it is. If it is a kilelr to your sense of fun then leave, sorry about your luck, hope the 6 months you found here were enjoyable.

[MrStinky]

80%-85% of melee is TWF if turbine nurfs it and 60% go back to THF just think of how busy the DDO store will be? BOOYOW bonuses for everyone at turbine!!

[grodon9999]

80%-85% of melee is TWF if turbine nurfs it and 60% go back to THF just think of how busy the DDO store will be? BOOYOW bonuses for everyone at turbine!!

I'm convinced the nerfage is to get people to buy more SP pots in the DDO store and nothing more. Less DPS = stuff takes longer to kill = more healing needed.

[Hendrik]

I'm convinced the nerfage is to get people to buy more SP pots in the DDO store and nothing more. Less DPS = stuff takes longer to kill = more healing needed.

Your tinfoil hat is a bit too tight methinks...

[Yaga_Nub]

Not rage, just not fun anymore.

Everyone keeps saying "This isn't fun anymore."

What exactly isn't fun anymore? You just said everything is about the same. Everything dies almost as quickly. So what EXACTLY isn't fun anymore?

The fun part of PnP AND DDO is the people you meet. This is a social game. If your only enjoyment comes from killing things .1 seconds faster than the next guy, is this game really fun for you? Let the changes go live and play for a couple of weeks and then come tell us EXACTLY why it isn't fun for you anymore. That would be better feedback for the devs IMHO.

[R0cksteady]

I'm convinced the nerfage is to get people to buy more SP pots in the DDO store and nothing more. Less DPS = stuff takes longer to kill = more healing needed.

Well, they also brought out +5 heart of woods. Now consider this.TWF Fighters now will have much lower DPS than THF barbs and TWF Tempests. Fighters will reroll to another class.

It's not about SP pots. Hell, Clerics are getting a nice boost in healing.

[maddmatt70]

Haha.. These are all so funny. The only thing I am/was concerned about was the proposed nerf to mobs's saves by 10 on epic (devs have backed off since) everything else is pretty minor. 20% less dps is really minimal in the larger scheme of things and actually a good thing. Dps was getting out of control previously anyway.

[Hendrik]

Everyone keeps saying "This isn't fun anymore."

What exactly isn't fun anymore? You just said everything is about the same. Everything dies almost as quickly. So what EXACTLY isn't fun anymore?

The fun part of PnP AND DDO is the people you meet. This is a social game. If your only enjoyment comes from killing things .1 seconds faster than the next guy, is this game really fun for you? Let the changes go live and play for a couple of weeks and then come tell us EXACTLY why it isn't fun for you anymore. That would be better feedback for the devs IMHO.

Yaga, Yaga, Yaga....


You know that requires one to actually PLAY under the changes vs just jumping on the hysterical, nerd-rage bandwagon!

[MrStinky]

Haha.. These are all so funny. The only thing I am/was concerned about was the proposed nerf to mobs's saves by 10 on epic (devs have backed off since) everything else is pretty minor. 20% less dps is really minimal in the larger scheme of things and actually a good thing. Dps was getting out of control previously anyway.

I Totally agree here. It is amazing to me to see all the panic and disparage, everyone threatening to quit, it is kinda funny. I got used to this sorta thing from turbine about 2.5 yrs ago.

BUT- I gauranty Turbine will make tons of money in respects from this deal !!!

[Stuttrboy]

Why would people want to respec? TWF is still better DPS than 2HF barring SOS, maybe even including that since they changed it too.Just because TWF only does 20% more damage than 2HF versus the 40% more it used to doesn't make me think people will want to lower their DPS even more and respec into TWF. I think only stupid people will do that and a sucker and his money are soon parted anyway.

[R0cksteady]

Why would people want to respec? TWF is still better DPS than 2HF barring SOS, maybe even including that since they changed it too.Just because TWF only does 20% more damage than 2HF versus the 40% more it used to doesn't make me think people will want to lower their DPS even more and respec into TWF. I think only stupid people will do that and a sucker and his money are soon parted anyway.

Wrong. A TWF fighter didn't do 40% more DPS than a THF barb. It was barely above it. It's the crossclass differences that are huge.

Also, Paladins, monks and Rogues get nerfed a lot more than other classes. Paladin's best DPS came from double smites, which aren't possible now.

[Samadhi]

I'm convinced the nerfage is to get people to buy more SP pots in the DDO store and nothing more. Less DPS = stuff takes longer to kill = more healing needed.

don't forget the nerfs to mysterious bauble / spell storing ring as well

everything is so much clearer now

[R0cksteady]

don't forget the nerfs to mysterious bauble / spell storing ring as well

everything is so much clearer now

Wait what? The bauble was nerfed?

[MrStinky]

Why would people want to respec? TWF is still better DPS than 2HF barring SOS, maybe even including that since they changed it too.Just because TWF only does 20% more damage than 2HF versus the 40% more it used to doesn't make me think people will want to lower their DPS even more and respec into TWF. I think only stupid people will do that and a sucker and his money are soon parted anyway.

I dont agree with the numbers here, BUT

Have you read any of the TWF posts lately??

[Stuttrboy]

Also, Paladins, monks and Rogues get nerfed a lot more than other classes. Paladin's best DPS came from double smites, which aren't possible now.

Rogues hast boosts and Acrobat bonuses remain untouched, monks may in fact be hit the hardest but that's more due to the weighted changes.

With double strike Paladins can get double and triple smites with main hand damage bonuses. You should really understand the changes or at least read the thread before posting about them. It sounds to me like you are falling for all the DOOM posts instead.

[Bilger]

Wrong. A TWF fighter didn't do 40% more DPS than a THF barb. It was barely above it. It's the crossclass differences that are huge.

Also, Paladins, monks and Rogues get nerfed a lot more than other classes. Paladin's best DPS came from double smites, which aren't possible now.

Umm yes double smites are possible with zeal and all it is called a double strike.

I may be wrong but when first swing hits you have a chance at a double strike which in a palis case will give another smite if lucky.

Not as much dps but still a chance at double smite.

[Rheebus]

Well, they also brought out +5 heart of woods. Now consider this.TWF Fighters now will have much lower DPS than THF barbs and TWF Tempests. Fighters will reroll to another class.

It's not about SP pots. Hell, Clerics are getting a nice boost in healing.

Come on folks. It is better for the game when things are balanced. TWF has been king for too long. It is time that damage is evened a bit. I like diversity. When THF evens up in the damage numbers, more THF toons will come into existence and the game will be more diverse. Sounds good to me.

Fighter capstone will become more important to TWF fighters. Double strike could be fun!