So is STWF available?

[R0cksteady]

If so, does it give 100% offhand attacks? And what are the prereqs? I'm downloading the server client now, but my fighter is reincarnated so I wont be able to check out how nerfed it is at the time.

[Ollathir]

If so, does it give 100% offhand attacks? And what are the prereqs? I'm downloading the server client now, but my fighter is reincarnated so I wont be able to check out how nerfed it is at the time.

Seems they couldnt catch it before Lama release. Wouldnt expect it live.

[Samadhi]

It was decided that the addition of this feat would hurt more than help. Feel free to dig through the last week of posts if you don't believe me, but i think it was from Eladrin in that initial change to combat thread somewhere.

[R0cksteady]

Yeah I kept upw ith the topic, but someone's post was unclear but seemed to say that it was put in.

Oh well, I guess respeccing for THF and regrinding for GS ingredients isn't too bad.

[Eladrin]

STWF won't be in the live release.

[R0cksteady]

So will there be a way for a fighter to get 100% offhand? And will there be a way to deconstruct my GS weapons?

[Temko]

what % values will be used then without the STWF feat in the picture?

[Visty]

We're currently thinking of adjusting the numbers to:

	Doublestrike	Bonus	Main hand	Off hand
No feats	0	20%	100%		20%
TWF		0	+20%	100%		40%
ITWF		0	+20%	100%		60%
GTWF		0	+20%	100%		80%
Tempest I	0	+10%	100%		90%
Tempest II	0	+10%	100%		100% 
Tempest III	+5%*	0	105%		100%
Wind IV		+10%	0	110%		80%
Zeal		+10%	0	110%		80%
Alacrity	+10%	0	110%		80%

* Only when wielding two weapons.

This set switches Wind Stance and Tempest III to doublestrike bonuses, increases the benefits of the TWF feat chain, and adds an additional feat for high BAB characters.

All of the bottom rows assume that the person has GTWF.

Edit 2:
Updated information in the main post to reflect the most recent changes.

prolly this

[R0cksteady]

Well, I guess I can be hopeful that those numbers changes or I can reroll. No big deal if Fighters really stop being a viable class for DPS.

[Therilith]

Oh well, I guess respeccing for THF and regrinding for GS ingredients isn't too bad.

Well, I guess I can be hopeful that those numbers changes or I can reroll. No big deal if Fighters really stop being a viable class for DPS.

"Sure is a shame that this update is going to molest my dog..."

[Seikojin]

I love the ridiculous extremes. Fighter not viable for dps.

STWF is a feat on Lamannia, but according to Eladrin it isn't going live. Either way I am fine. The gtwf offhand proc is good enough for me and I <3 my twf.

[Seikojin]

STWF won't be in the live release.

After seeing how doublestrike plays out, I can see why stwf isn't going live. LOL

Doublestrike procs will fill any offhand procs and push your dps much closer to current live if not higher.

[Stuttrboy]

It's sad that, even though the people playtesting on Lammania are saying there doesn't seem to be much difference, this horrible nerf will totally gimp my toon. I demand a full respec for my 2HF fighter that is still being outdamaged by TWF. DOOOOOMMM!!!!!1!!one!

[R0cksteady]

After seeing how doublestrike plays out, I can see why stwf isn't going live. LOL

Doublestrike procs will fill any offhand procs and push your dps much closer to current live if not higher.

That double strike is at the cost of my 10% speed boost. My offhand attacks are going down 30% and mainhands are staying the same.

[Boromirs]

It's sad that, even though the people playtesting on Lammania are saying there doesn't seem to be much difference, this horrible nerf will totally gimp my toon. I demand a full respec for my 2HF fighter that is still being outdamaged by TWF. DOOOOOMMM!!!!!1!!one!

THF fighter outdamages TWF currently. And TWF invests doubly to get their DPS to close to your levels. Further, I too require a respec if S*** does not bring fighters up to the 110/100 levels provided. I can take a nerf but not the nerf of 110/80 sorry.

[R0cksteady]

THF fighter outdamages TWF currently. And TWF invests doubly to get their DPS to close to your levels. Further, I too require a respec if S*** does not bring fighters up to the 110/100 levels provided. I can take a nerf but not the nerf of 110/80 sorry.

Exactly. Even if they were "balanced" and TWF did the same as THF, TWF requires 17 dex (and for a fighter, it's better to max out strength and con and then put points into intelligence for combat expertise and skill points than a few useless AC points). not to mention a to-hit drop (not that it makes much of a difference, but in epic it would be nice not to have that loss) and there's not twitch BS for TWF. Why take TWF if you can get the same DPS with THF, less grinding for weapons and GS, and none of the drawbacks to TWF?

[DelScorcho]

STWF won't be in the live release.

Is the feat dead, or still being considered. Really I don't want to TR another TWF character until I know whether I need to plan to start with 15 dex or 16 dex. Those two build points are huge even on a 3d life.

[Trillea]

Is the feat dead, or still being considered. Really I don't want to TR another TWF character until I know whether I need to plan to start with 15 dex or 16 dex. Those two build points are huge even on a 3d life.

The feat is dead for this update, and most likely the rest of the game.

[Boromirs]

Again, hopefully Eldarin will post the FINAL % numbers sometime soon.