Weighted 5% will be nerfed in update 5

[Potvin]

You know, I actually understand the reduction from 5% to 3%...but not making it auto stun as well?

Turbine, holy ****. You are neutering my character (and no, I'll quit before I roll and build up another).

Either make it 3% and auto-stun, or leave it at 5% with the fort save. Either/Or. Implementing both destroys the wrap class.

[JOTMON]

They just might fix the Lag with all these undesired updates.

Reduce Weighted and give a save means mobs won't get stunned so no crit damage=no DPS = no DPS lag.

I think I am beginning to see how they are fixing the lag...

All I can do is hope they scale the mobs like they are scaling us, otherwise I think they may have killed Epic (which will eliminate the Lag complained about in Epic raids).

On the face of it these changes look like they will strenghten the position of the mobs, weaken crowd control and reduce overall DPS damage.

To me that means I am going to have to heal more and make my mana last longer. Based on what I am seeing here with the loot changes there is no reason for me to grind any of my clerics through these quests. Well at least I will save money by not buying pots from the DDO store anymore, maybe I'll TR to hagglebard..

[MCPeePants]

now let's compare it to the equivalent item properties: vertigo and uhmm... destruction? those add to trip and sunder and are basically the same as weighted. only, there is no passive chance to trip/lower AC. it didn't make much sense to begin with that this is in only in weighted items. now the nerfed it to balance that out a bit.

i stick with what few others said: good change imo. it was overpowered.

With all due respect... Vertigo? Is that a modifier that you look for? Personally, the two suffixes I check for most on the AH at this point are greater bane and weighted 5%. I'll look at some others if the prefix modifier looks nice, but they're a distant second.

Maybe it's my playstyle or class (monk), or I'm even willing to admit ignorance, but vertigo and destruction don't even register on the radar. Straight vendor trash.

[Schmoe]

With all due respect... Vertigo? Is that a modifier that you look for? Personally, the two suffixes I check for most on the AH at this point are greater bane and weighted 5%. I'll look at some others if the prefix modifier looks nice, but they're a distant second.

Maybe it's my playstyle or class (monk), or I'm even willing to admit ignorance, but vertigo and destruction don't even register on the radar. Straight vendor trash.

Actually, now that they've made this change to weighted, I think it would make great sense to buff Vertigo and Sunder to include a %proc chance in addition to the DC increase they already provide. People might actually start using those weapons.

[Missing_Minds]

Honestly, I'm amazed its been auto stun as long as it has been.

Why do I say this? Do you remember Whirlwind? The original? Auto trip on a crit. That was deemed to powerful so they nerfed it to have a DC.

I'm not calling it a good change, just saying I'm not surprised.

[Potvin]

honestly, its all good if they re-balance both sides of the equation. If they want to nerf DPS (generically speaking) by 25% but reduce opponents 20-25% as well, then fine, great.

[ezgoezit]

I spent a couple hours in the Shav wilderness and did the New Invasion quest a couple times to see what differences I could identify. I was surprised to find that the 3% weighted proc work on even the orthons (high fort save) in the wilderness and quest on normal. MY stunning fist attack stunned just about everything I attempted it on including 4 out of 5 attempts in a row on the red named orthon near the New Invasion quest (Amia?). Suffice to say that the SF attack in Shav used to be a waste of ki, so this is a significant change for me.

I need to play with it more, but I am not as concerned about the double nerf to the weighted wraps as I was yesterday before testing it. My two major concerns after my observations were that I was either taking much more damage than I have in the past in the wilderness and that I am not generating nearly as much ki as I used to which is compunded by the fact that I am using SF more. Also, I used to be able to maintain full health in the wilderness with healing ki and the healing finisher. Now I need to use wholeness of body to keep my head above water. At the very least I will need to enhance my methods of ki gathering as well as adjust my agro intake if Update 5 goes live as is.

Ez

[Thrudh]

The weighted 5% was no-where NEAR overpowered. Weighted 5% wraps was one of the only things a monk could even bring to a group! With this, monks are gonna be the comedic relief they used to be, with them just sitting in the corner slitting their wrists and listening to Linkin' Park.

It's called Stunning Fist... it works now.

[Felyxe]

I spent a couple hours in the Shav wilderness and did the New Invasion quest a couple times to see what differences I could identify. I was surprised to find that the 3% weighted proc work on even the orthons (high fort save) in the wilderness and quest on normal. MY stunning fist attack stunned just about everything I attempted it on including 4 out of 5 attempts in a row on the red named orthon near the New Invasion quest (Amia?). Suffice to say that the SF attack in Shav used to be a waste of ki, so this is a significant change for me.

Ez

Would you mind giving us your STR stat? My dark path monk sits at 30 str without clickies, so I'm wondering if that will be enough to effectively stun.

[asphodeli]

/showTinFoilHat ON *Darn it, it's all about the mana, I tell ya. We spellcasters get the short-end of the stick all the time.*

[Thrudh]

Even with the Stunning DC's being added appropriately, what are the chances that it will cross that threshold that will make it a viable option?

Maybe you should find out if Stunning Fist works now before complaining on these boards.

+10 DC added to Stunning Fist (from those "worthless" wraps), and -10 to the monster saves in epic....

Equivalent of +20 DC to your Stunning Fist attack sounds like it might just cross that threshold you're talking about, eh?

Rangers and Rogues and other TWFs without a stunning feat are more impacted by this change than monks...

But don't let me get in the way of a good rant....

[SquelchHU]

Would you mind giving us your STR stat? My dark path monk sits at 30 str without clickies, so I'm wondering if that will be enough to effectively stun.

Irrelevant. While Stunning BLOW is Str based, Stunning FIST is Wis based.

[ezgoezit]

I think you are more interested in my WIS than my STR as my SF works off that. My wis is 32(+6). My SF DC is 40 or 41 (I forget atm and am at work). (My STR is only +2)

Ez

[Thrudh]

I spent a couple hours in the Shav wilderness and did the New Invasion quest a couple times to see what differences I could identify. I was surprised to find that the 3% weighted proc work on even the orthons (high fort save) in the wilderness and quest on normal. MY stunning fist attack stunned just about everything I attempted it on including 4 out of 5 attempts in a row on the red named orthon near the New Invasion quest (Amia?). Suffice to say that the SF attack in Shav used to be a waste of ki, so this is a significant change for me.

I need to play with it more, but I am not as concerned about the double nerf to the weighted wraps as I was yesterday before testing it. My two major concerns after my observations were that I was either taking much more damage than I have in the past in the wilderness and that I am not generating nearly as much ki as I used to which is compunded by the fact that I am using SF more. Also, I used to be able to maintain full health in the wilderness with healing ki and the healing finisher. Now I need to use wholeness of body to keep my head above water. At the very least I will need to enhance my methods of ki gathering as well as adjust my agro intake if Update 5 goes live as is.

Ez

Wow... someone tested the changes!!! Dude, no posting actual test results inside a good nerd-rage rant thread!

[Darklight_Soulweaver]

Wow... someone tested the changes!!! Dude, no posting actual test results inside a good nerd-rage rant thread!

Yeah it is quite strange to see how passionate people are over things that they have yet to test.

[Creeper]

Lame. Very, very lame. Goodbye bludgeoning weapons.

Oh wait, that's right... I forgot for a second that this was the slashing weapon only game. Disregard.

Goodbye monk. Oh wait... we get x5 TODs? Is this one of those bugs that every player expected yet none of the devs expected? I think so.

So, goodbye light path monk wielding weighted wraps.

Can I have my stuff?

[Maldavenous]

So, goodbye light path monk wielding weighted wraps.

Not sure if you've been reading the thread but stunning fist and stunning blow can both be taken by a light path monk and with the +10 to DC they actually land most of the time unlike before when it was a coin flip if I could get one to land.

As I said earlier, now you're going to have more stuns in less time, even though they can get saves against the DCs are fairly high.

[Creeper]

Not sure if you've been reading the thread but stunning fist and stunning blow can both be taken by a light path monk and with the +10 to DC they actually land most of the time unlike before when it was a coin flip if I could get one to land.

As I said earlier, now you're going to have more stuns in less time, even though they can get saves against the DCs are fairly high.

and I am not sure you read my reply as I never metioned the DCs to stunning fist or stunning blow, nor did I mention the inability for light path monks to take either.

I, however, did mention Touch of Death (which a light path monk can NOT take) in so much as on Lam it triggers multiple times on double strikes now with the changes to TWF. That is why I mentioned light path monks.

as far as having more or less stuns in more or less time, I am fairly sure (I know) I did not mention this either. The only change to the DCs are that they actually work now with handwraps, which is a bug fix, it has nothing to do with the nerf, so I am not sure what your point is regarding this.

[sir_odin]

After doing several dreamin dark i finally got +5 HW of weighten 5% as endreward. must have been the happiest monk on the server..... untill a couple of hours later when laminia server came up

think it's gonna be a long summer vacation from ddo.

btw found out the madstone is useless, combat is stupidly slow, dps is worse than when monks where introduced.... hmmm think my account going to hibrinate. and no...... u cant have my stuff.

hope its gonna be a nice sunny summer, maybe fall too, even winter