PvP Mitigations!

[h4x0r1f1c]

I play in the pvp area a lot. Right now I have a lvl 15 WF sorcerer. I'm close to having PWS(Power Word Stun) but it cannot ensure my winning..

At least nerf manyshot in pvp because:

1) Greater Construct Bane arrows/bows suck.
2) Disintegration bows suck.
3) Lightning Strike bows suck.
4) Slayer arrows suck.
5) Bypassing Stoneskin's damage reduction sucks.
6) Some Kensai fighters can get ahold of Manyshot items.
7) In pvp it's not fair because they'll gank you with manyshot once every 2 minutes and it'll be the only time they come down.
8) Not hard for some of them to get more than 450 HP and have PWS immunity.
9) Manyshot with CON damage sucks, same with STR damage for casters b/c they can't react.
10) Seriously how is a lvl 20 sorc going to save against Slayer Arrows in pvp?
11) A player can multiclass with a mere 6 levels of ranger and have Manyshot and then kill people in pvp a whole lot easier.
12) People say nerfing manyshot would negate the DPS of being a ranger well uhh maybe fix THAT then. Do they only go on killing rampages once every 2 minutes in quests?
13) I've seen people using more than one of the various techniques posted above. It's not fair for pvp!
14) Please nerf manyshot for pvp at least I don't care about quests! And the game isn't just about questing either so shut up. Sometimes you go and show off your toon not to be manyshotted by someone you could 1shot or own more often than once every 2 minutes!
15) A stupid cooldown is not enough!

Also I know that pvp is pvp and this-and-that can be used but I don't care. I also know that lowbies shouldn't be in there but I think it's bad for a lvl 20 to kill a lvl 4. That said, why not make it so that while in a pvp area attacking someone X amount of lvls below or above you won't work? Like turn their names above their heads grey or something..

This can be done because they make checks when using Teleport to say that you can't use that in pvp so if they know you're in pvp and someone is about to take damage in it since it says "You begin to cast w/e at lvl 15." it should negate damage/effect for the person X many levels lower.

I know it's pvp and whatever goes but I think it should be a tiny bit more fair, or... make another instance for something like this! Have The Wayward Lobster be freestyle pvp to test your toon against gimps and have another area for regulated lvl fighting?


Oh yeah a CTRL+F to search for quests in the Adventure Compendium would be nice.

Also a text-search for the Auction House!

And more favor-unlockable stuff! I got Veteran before 1000 favor and the only thing I worked up to was Drow and an extra inventory slot.. come on maybe like get a Huge Collectible Bag or something!

Not to mention the sorcerer spell-change cooldown thing is a little rough. At least a whole 24 hours not 72, please?

My toon is Dispel and I play on Sarlona. I hang in The Wayward Lobster.

Thanks! I look forward to the BS replies. I hope I get an email for each one saying someone replied to this lol I might lose the link and never see it again. I'll save it.

[Spisey]

No

[LightInDark]

No and No and as many No as it takes before No is all you see

[D-molisher]

NO.
Honestly if you really live for PvP - then find a PvP oriented game.
Making a balanced pvp game - will ruin the different classes and make all kind of the same.
Besides i dont want Devs to focus on PvP >> there are alot off NECCESARY ISUES TO FIX INSTEAD.
Just my humble oppinion.

[DoctorWhofan]

I play in the pvp area a lot. Right now I have a lvl 15 WF sorcerer. I'm close to having PWS(Power Word Stun) but it cannot ensure my winning..

At least nerf manyshot in pvp because:

1) Greater Construct Bane arrows/bows suck. no, because greater human, elven, halfling, and the rest suck too.

2) Disintegration bows suck. That's Arcane Archer. Good for them finally some usefulness out of ranged.

3) Lightning Strike bows suck. GS FTW. and now they are awesome!

4) Slayer arrows suck. see #2

5) Bypassing Stoneskin's damage reduction sucks. no it doesn't. Nice on thereal game.

6) Some Kensai fighters can get ahold of Manyshot items. It's called multiclassing. Not sure on the specific build but it has alot of ranger in it.

7) In pvp it's not fair because they'll gank you with manyshot once every 2 minutes and it'll be the only time they come down.

Welcome to PvP. That's why no one cares about doing it except for a few.

8) Not hard for some of them to get more than 450 HP and have PWS immunity. YEppers.

9) Manyshot with CON damage sucks, same with STR damage for casters b/c they can't react. Gotta like those Wounding and pucturing bows. I love mine. Still use it in quests.

10) Seriously how is a lvl 20 sorc going to save against Slayer Arrows in pvp? Yes. If they were smart and havethe right gear. Death ward goggles out of Tangleroot, oreven a deathblock item easy to get.

11) A player can multiclass with a mere 6 levels of ranger and have Manyshot and then kill people in pvp a whole lot easier. Yeppers. See #6.

12) People say nerfing manyshot would negate the DPS of being a ranger well uhh maybe fix THAT then. Do they only go on killing rampages once every 2 minutes in quests? Yes, which makes them highly not useful in quests. Smart ones will also carry Greater Construct bane weapons for melee.

13) I've seen people using more than one of the various techniques posted above. It's not fair for pvp! PvP isn't about fairness.

14) Please nerf manyshot for pvp at least I don't care about quests! And the game isn't just about questing either so shut up. Sometimes you go and show off your toon not to be manyshotted by someone you could 1shot or own more often than once every 2 minutes! You are playing the WRONG game. This is not PvP centric game.

15) A stupid cooldown is not enough! 2 minutes is not enough to launch an counter attack? you have bigger issues than that. Try playing the regular game get a better perceptive.

Also I know that pvp is pvp and this-and-that can be used but I don't care. I also know that lowbies shouldn't be in there but I think it's bad for a lvl 20 to kill a lvl 4. That said, why not make it so that while in a pvp area attacking someone X amount of lvls below or above you won't work? Like turn their names above their heads grey or something..

Guess what? If you don't care, then you are missingthe bigger picture. Geez, guys who love PvP would agree with me on this.

This can be done because they make checks when using Teleport to say that you can't use that in pvp so if they know you're in pvp and someone is about to take damage in it since it says "You begin to cast w/e at lvl 15." it should negate damage/effect for the person X many levels lower.

No. That would be stupid and make PvP even more hated. WAIT! let's add that in.

I know it's pvp and whatever goes but I think it should be a tiny bit more fair, or... make another instance for something like this! Have The Wayward Lobster be freestyle pvp to test your toon against gimps and have another area for regulated lvl fighting?

Arena fight. THere are other taverns in the world and many have differnent free for alls and arenas.

Oh yeah a CTRL+F to search for quests in the Adventure Compendium would be nice.

Or you cna hit the adventure title of that column and it will list alphabetacally.

Also a text-search for the Auction House!


Reat the dev notes, it's coming by the end of the year.

And more favor-unlockable stuff! I got Veteran before 1000 favor and the only thing I worked up to was Drow and an extra inventory slot.. come on maybe like get a Huge Collectible Bag or something!

THere is aTON of stuff you can unlock via the favour system. Again, do some quests.

Not to mention the sorcerer spell-change cooldown thing is a little rough. At least a whole 24 hours not 72, please?

no. They shouldn't do it at all, but I am glad they did.

Thanks! I look forward to the BS replies. I hope I get an email for each one saying someone replied to this lol I might lose the link and never see it again. I'll save it.

IN LIME:

Why post if you are looking forBS replies? So you are baiting us then? If you are not going to be serious in your questions, why bother to post? If you know the general opinion of PvP, why are you asking to nerf something that JUST got fixed forthe better? And yes? WHY are you here?

It doesn't sound like you are having alot of fun, and you are missing most if not all the game because you are "not interested" in the quests. Guess what? You jsut gimped your toon for both PvP and PvE. You have no idea how spells work and what protections from certain spells, the standard gear of XYZ classes, you don't even have the gear you need (because PvP is gear centric) because you are too busy getting pwned by AA rangers and elves and not playing the game!

Play the game, learn the class, learn what other classes do and THEN enter the PvP.

[BoBoDaClown]

Chuckle worthy.

Thanks.

[Heronous]

in Lime:

Why Post If You Are Looking Forbs Replies? So You Are Baiting Us Then? If You Are Not Going To Be Serious In Your Questions, Why Bother To Post? If You Know The General Opinion Of Pvp, Why Are You Asking To Nerf Something That Just Got Fixed Forthe Better? And Yes? Why Are You Here?

It Doesn't Sound Like You Are Having Alot Of Fun, And You Are Missing Most If Not All The Game Because You Are "not Interested" In The Quests. Guess What? You Jsut Gimped Your Toon For Both Pvp And Pve. You Have No Idea How Spells Work And What Protections From Certain Spells, The Standard Gear Of Xyz Classes, You Don't Even Have The Gear You Need (because Pvp Is Gear Centric) Because You Are Too Busy Getting Pwned By Aa Rangers And Elves And Not Playing The Game!

Play The Game, Learn The Class, Learn What Other Classes Do And Then Enter The Pvp.

+1

Op: No

[DoctorWhofan]

+1

Op: No

Thanks.

ANd it took 45 minutes to type. OMG. I cannot believe someone has pretty much ignored the game for PvP. I mean how isthat possible? WHY do it? ESPECIALLY someone who alludes to readingthe forums and knows that the game is not PvP centric.

And to nerf something that was fixed...after 4 years! Sorta, but you get my drift.

[Maldavenous]

I play in the pvp area a lot. Right now I have a lvl 15 WF sorcerer. I'm close to having PWS(Power Word Stun) but it cannot ensure my winning..

You're going to run around casting Power Word Stun on people and you're complaining about many shot? I know you want to feel like you're good at the game by winning in PvP, but it means nothing. Just because you can cast Power Word Stun on someone and then Irresistible Dance them and do whatever you want it doesn't mean you're any good. Also, PWS is a waste of a spell on a Sorc.

[D-molisher]

P.S you also forgot to mention bard song fascinate.

Mostlikely a lvl 4 bard can pwn you.

Honestly since you dont care for quests, you will never learn any class and their true potential. And the gear needed to do PvP..
So my advice are to go play a 100 % PvP oriented game, Maybe wow or simmilar.

[Mjoll]

Is this the trolling & nonsense thread of the day? If so then my suggestion to the OP is to...

Try Handatorgathan Ophornercialies with a spoon of Bounsumpossaulting*. You might experience side effects but nothing a good dose of Desorstrinserturalics can't fix.

*Use Spirteristomizativells if you don't have Bounsumpossaulting

[bobbryan2]

Haha.

I approve of this rant!

[Irinis]

Thanks.

ANd it took 45 minutes to type. OMG. I cannot believe someone has pretty much ignored the game for PvP. I mean how isthat possible? WHY do it? ESPECIALLY someone who alludes to readingthe forums and knows that the game is not PvP centric.

And to nerf something that was fixed...after 4 years! Sorta, but you get my drift.

Er, Trissa... Repeat after me: don't feed the trolls... especially don't spend 45 minutes typing to feed the trolls. Don't feed the trolls.

That said, NERF MANYSHOT: (because once you nerf everything else, it will be) TOO POWERFUL!

[Seliana]

I play in the pvp area a lot. Right now I have a lvl 15 WF sorcerer. I'm close to having PWS(Power Word Stun) but it cannot ensure my winning.

No spell, weapon, or skill in game will "ensure your winning" except maybe the Epic SOS, but if your a lvl 15 WF sorcerer then you should certainly know enough about your class strengths and weakness at this point to make informed pvp based decisions. This game was never built around PVP and the playerbase prefers it that way. PVP detracts from the experience we all came here for and it wont be changing anytime soon. In any PVP situation in any game ever your going to die a lot, it doesn't mean the game needs changing in order to kill people though.

If your being hit with slayer arrows the person your fighting is certainly higher level then you and as a result most likely better equipped then you if your being hit with Greensteel as well. If you are determined to do PVP against people who are stronger then you please take a new look at your spell list and make careful decisions on what you should take. Invisibility, Displacement, Finger of Death, Hold Person, Polar Ray are wonderful choices. If they are sneaking up on you toss some Acid fog or Firewalls to damage them out of stealth or just put up some Otto's Dancing Spheres and make them immobile. You have access to Grease, Summon Monster, Flesh to Stone, and Lesser Globe of Invulnerability so use them. You could invest in Armor Class or Damage Reduction with some investment in time and effort and perhaps a monk level. Do some research on casters soloing and you will find out stealth and tactics are options available to you as well.

Its really not as bad as you make it sound.

With that being said if you are determined to have a PVP experience with D&D mechanics, go load up Neverwinter Nights.

[Irinis]

Do some research on casters soloing and you will find out stealth and tactics are options available to you as well.

Its really not as bad as you make it sound.

+1 rep for taking a joke post (at least I assume so) and turning it into something informative.

[uhgungawa]

You're on a WF caster and complaining about PvP? Man you must really suck

[kanbeki]

You're on a WF caster and complaining about PvP? Man you must really suck

this

[h4x0r1f1c]

No spell, weapon, or skill in game will "ensure your winning" except maybe the Epic SOS, but if your a lvl 15 WF sorcerer then you should certainly know enough about your class strengths and weakness at this point to make informed pvp based decisions. This game was never built around PVP and the playerbase prefers it that way. PVP detracts from the experience we all came here for and it wont be changing anytime soon. In any PVP situation in any game ever your going to die a lot, it doesn't mean the game needs changing in order to kill people though.

If your being hit with slayer arrows the person your fighting is certainly higher level then you and as a result most likely better equipped then you if your being hit with Greensteel as well. If you are determined to do PVP against people who are stronger then you please take a new look at your spell list and make careful decisions on what you should take. Invisibility, Displacement, Finger of Death, Hold Person, Polar Ray are wonderful choices. If they are sneaking up on you toss some Acid fog or Firewalls to damage them out of stealth or just put up some Otto's Dancing Spheres and make them immobile. You have access to Grease, Summon Monster, Flesh to Stone, and Lesser Globe of Invulnerability so use them. You could invest in Armor Class or Damage Reduction with some investment in time and effort and perhaps a monk level. Do some research on casters soloing and you will find out stealth and tactics are options available to you as well.

Its really not as bad as you make it sound.

With that being said if you are determined to have a PVP experience with D&D mechanics, go load up Neverwinter Nights.

Most of those spells you listed do not work in pvp. Right now my best chances are to hurry and level then when someone comes down to gank me with Manyshot I'll toss a Magic Missile to take off their Mantle of the Worldshaper, then hit them with a Scorching Ray and if I'm still alive then Power Word Stun b/c their health will definitely be below 450 by then and then I can repair and they're mine. But they hit hard and fast. True Seeing will negate Displacement.

[Visty]

Most of those spells you listed do not work in pvp. Right now my best chances are to hurry and level then when someone comes down to gank me with Manyshot I'll toss a Magic Missile to take off their Mantle of the Worldshaper, then hit them with a Scorching Ray and if I'm still alive then Power Word Stun b/c their health will definitely be below 450 by then and then I can repair and they're mine. But they hit hard and fast. True Seeing will negate Displacement.

all of those spells work in pvp, you have to be in the pvp arenas and not the brawl

[Uska]

No changes to any for pvp ever.