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Originally Posted by Eladrin

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Edit:
Thanks for the massive amount of feedback all.

We're currently thinking of adjusting the numbers to:


Code:
Doublestrike Bonus Main hand Off hand
No feats 0 20% 100% 20%
TWF 0 +20% 100% 40%
ITWF 0 +20% 100% 60%
GTWF 0 +20% 100% 80%
STWF 0 +20% 100% 100%
Tempest I 0 +10% 100% 90%
Tempest II 0 +10% 100% 100%
Tempest III +5%* 0 105% 100%
Wind IV +10% 0 110% 80%
Zeal +10% 0 110% 80%
Alacrity +10% 0 110% 80%* Only when wielding two weapons.

This set switches Wind Stance and Tempest III to doublestrike bonuses, increases the benefits of the TWF feat chain, and adds an additional feat for high BAB characters.

All of the bottom rows assume that the person has GTWF, except for the STWF row.


This still puts monks at an even greater DPS disadvantage vs. other TWF classes then they are now. With Fighters/Rangers etc. having 20% more offhand attacks through Superior TWF, monks will be left behind in the dps charts.


Think about it... currently unarmed ALLREADY attacks more times per minute then regular TWF, yet it STILL does less dps (due to better weapon options, crit multipliers, crit ranges of weapons). This change will actually give monks LESS attacks per minute then a similar fighter/ranger etc. and just make things worse.

Ranger (assume 100 attacks)
105 main hand (100 + 5 double hits)
100 off-hand
= 205 total

Monk LIVE (assume 110 attacks do to unarmed speed)
110 main hand
110 off hand
=210 total (despite this higher number their dps is still the lowest!)

Monk Update 5 (assume 110 attacks)
121 main hand (110 + 11 double hits)
80 off-hand
= 201 total (DPS nerf to lowest meele dps class)


Monks are allready the most DPS deprived meele class, and require the most farming (2 ToD rings) to even reach their true potential. Please evaluate this accordingly. Perhaps give unarmed a BASE 40% chance of off-hand attacks (without feats) so it can hit 100% with 3 feats.


Reposted due to being buried to deep. This IS a concern as now monks will have LESS attacks then other TWF meele, despite ALLREADY having LESS DPS. The main point being that monks (with this change) will be even FURTHER BEHIND in dps. Even if you "think" monks SHOULD have less dps (as they do now) do you honestly believe it should be nerfed MORE?