Combat Feedback for Update 5.

[Visty]

I guess my assumption about you was wrong.

He clearly says:

"We're trying to aggressively attack the issues that cause these lag problems and are interested in feedback regarding how aggressively we should be attempting to tackle them."

You are making the assumption that the statement below means that this is the reason for their proposed change, but it does not say that here. That simply means that they are acknowledging the potential damage to some characters, and making a justification statement saying that if this is done it will result in more balance.

"I won’t hide that these proposed changes do reduce the effectiveness of off-hand attacks, which reduces the two weapon fighting style’s extreme dominance over two handed fighting. Skipping the extreme outlier of the Epic Sword of Shadows (we got a little carried away there, didn’t we?), estimated damage output over time for the two styles should be extremely close to each other if we go this route. (Which style is superior ends up being heavily dependent on your character's abilities.)"

Go back to grade school Grammar.

ok, now go back and read the first 60 pages of this thread, esp the posts from the devs which clearly say that there are 2 seperate things in the OP: fixing lag and nerfing twf

[LunaCee]

The only concern I have for TWF offhand fix that is incoming... is oddly enough for my wizard. Do I still get auto hit on offhand attacks without the feats against a held target I just put the blue rings of death on or FtS'd?

Honestly that would be the biggest setback for me, having the offhand pick just not even land while smacking down something I've put into auto-critical. Using melee damage to finish something off is rather useful at times...

[Verengor]

No clue if the following points have been raised (I did not read the full thread):

1) The fighter capstone currently effects TWF, THF and S&B. Will the capstone for THF and S&B fighting stiles be changed to double attack aswell?

2) Many people reported a hidden attack speed increase with the barbarian capstone will this be adjusted or fixed (if not intended)?

[Visty]

Visty i know you are not an idiot,

I guess my assumption about you was wrong.

I have an idea, Visty, Neg rep me more, and as much as you possibly can in the future as well.

I do not give a rats ***

As we spoke the other day, rep has 0000 meaning to me, in fact neg repping me only gets my posts noticed more quickly by the moderators, and since i have said nothing actually offensive the end result will be in my benefit, my posts being read by the moderators, that is something i want, so rep away.

PS i have been following this whole topic very closely, and i know as any grade schooler would know exactly what was intended when this was posted, and any additionally buts and ifs since then are simple attempts to justify their original intention, which is to help lag.

Get a clue.

noo, you said nothing offensive, you just called me an idiot and in your last post again you said im stupid

[Merlocke]

tempest I gives 10% offhand proc

But why would you even take tempest PrE when you can just use one feat for STWF.

[Visty]

No clue if the following points have been raised (I did not read the full thread):

1) The fighter capstone currently effects TWF, THF and S&B. Will the capstone for THF and S&B fighting stiles be changed to double attack aswell?

as its just one capstone and not 3 differants, everyone will get the 10% doublestrike

[Visty]

But why would you even take tempest PrE when you can just use one feat for STWF.

because tempest I leads to tempest III for 5% doublestrike

also its not sure if stwf is really coming

[irivan]

noo, you said nothing offensive, you just called me an idiot and in your last post again you said im stupid

If you are assuming that i have insulted you then your are elevating your status with me. If i was going to call you stupid, i would have.

No, this is a self fulfilling prophecy that you have about yourself.

Good luck with that, i cant help you there.

And quit attempting to derail this thread, or i will have to report you for forum abuse.

take your troll attempt some where else.

[Visty]

If you are assuming that i have insulted you that your are elevating your status with me. If i was going to call you stupid, i would have.

No, this is a self fulfilling prophecy that you have about yourself.

Good luck with that, i cant help you there.

And quit attempting to derail this thread, or i will have to report you for forum abuse.

take your troll attempt some where else.

as you started the derailment i have nothing to fear

and thw twf nerf is still not related to the lag fix

[irivan]

as you started the derailment i have nothing to fear

and thw twf nerf is still not related to the lag fix

No you are wrong again, i came here with a reply to Eladrin's oringal post, here is your reply to me.

"another of those posts which think the twf nerf is hidden as lag fix

its not

eladrin said its a nerf cause twf is so overpowered"

You came after me waving your banner of misinformation about the original post intention, thus attempting from the start to both derail the thread, and to also insult me by creating the obfuscation that me and everyone else who has correctly interpreted the thread as being one of "them".

No you started this, now own up to it.

However i am suspecting you cannot.

[Isolani]

Somebody probably suggested this elsewhere in the 1800+ posts, but if excessive die rolling is part of the lag problem why not just remove a lot of it by making weapon effects do a flat amount of damage instead of having a die roll for each effect. Frost does +3 cold damage, etc. Would remove a ton of calculating, and wouldn't be much change in people's dps if you make the flat number roughly the average of what one of those effects does randomly now.

[Visty]

No you are wrong again, i came here with a reply to Eladrin's oringal post, here is your reply to me.

"another of those posts which think the twf nerf is hidden as lag fix

its not

eladrin said its a nerf cause twf is so overpowered"

You came after me waving your banner of misinformation about the original post intention, thus attempting from the start to both derail the thread, and to also insult me by creating the obfuscation that me and everyone else who has correctly interpreted the thread as being one of "them".

No you started this, now own up to it.

However i am suspecting you cannot.

correcting someone =/= derailment

go ahead, report my posts, yours will go too

[irivan]

correcting someone =/= derailment

go ahead, report my posts, yours will go too

Oh dont worry its already been done.

Dont go around jabbing at people thinking you wont get jabbed back.

[Merlocke]

So Rgrs are really going to waste 3 feats for 5% chance for a doublestrike and lose:

Tempest I: 10% competence bonus to attk speed
Tempest III: additional free attack in your attack chain

/fail

[Visty]

So Rgrs are really going to waste 3 feats for 5% chance for a doublestrike and lose:

Tempest I: 10% competence bonus to attk speed
Tempest III: additional free attack in your attack chain

/fail

that is IF stwf come in game and IF the numbers wont change anymore

[vVAnjilaVv]

HEY!!!!!


WHY DON'T YOU GUYS TAKE A BIG STEP BACK AND CHILL OUT!!!!!

THIS HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET.

Constructive critism will be read by the mods.....a 100+ page thread of bashing back and forth will be ignored and then they will release it un-tweaked and we will have to wait an additional amount of days for them to correct it because nobody wants to be civil.

Really...if TURBINE were a superior intelligence species monitoring earthlings to see if they were worth associating with...I think we would be passed over.

*ducks for cover from the neg rep mephits*

Honestly I cannot believe the cube has not been by for this feast by now.....it must be REALLLY hungry if it would want more than this.

[Isolani]

Didn't read all of this, it's too much...so the gist of it is that I should reroll a pure barbarian, fighter, or caster because anything else is getting hosed?

[vVAnjilaVv]

Somebody probably suggested this elsewhere in the 1800+ posts, but if excessive die rolling is part of the lag problem why not just remove a lot of it by making weapon effects do a flat amount of damage instead of having a die roll for each effect. Frost does +3 cold damage, etc. Would remove a ton of calculating, and wouldn't be much change in people's dps if you make the flat number roughly the average of what one of those effects does randomly now.

That's a pretty good idea.

[Visty]

oh and irivan, heres the proof that you are wrong and the devs indeed say its a nerf, page 22 of this thread



could quote it as the part which eladrin quoted wouldnt be in my quote

and anjila, well said
most ppl dont realise that those numbers arent set in stone yet and everything could still change

[vVAnjilaVv]

Didn't read all of this, it's too much...so the gist of it is that I should reroll a pure barbarian, fighter, or caster because anything else is getting hosed?

The gist of it is really that nothing has happened yet......just roll something and have fun until this takes place.....just be prepared to maybe re-spec or simply don't go all out with it until this is resolved.