Combat Feedback for Update 5.

[Kalaxia]

1) every single THF would love to have a weapon type equivelent to the khopesh, its well worth the feat.
2)heavy weapons typically have better base damage and a better critical profile,
3) no complaints here
4) no clue what you're saying here, as you're mixing points, you do and you dont
5) .. why should THF'ers take a 15% DPS loss for movement while TWF doesnt?
6) agreed,
7) nty, only a few weapons make little sense, and typically its only a matter of 1 or 2 damage. I'd prefer some new weapon types. (scythe please, you can even make it exotic instead of a simple weapon, just please please please give THF a 20/x4 weapon)

1 - I thought about that.. but that may possibly cause more problems as everyone would feel forced to now use the exotic 2h. It doesn't solve the problem of requirements balance well.

2,3,4 - The reason I say all of those, is that TWF players feel like they deserve more DPS because of these heavy investments. This shouldn't be the case in the first place. Just remove those absurb penalties and bring THF and TWF closer in requirements. This way, dps can be balanced without ppl feeling shafted on requirements.

5 - Well, I agree there partly. The problem is forcing twitching for single target DPS seems like a horrible bandaid to trying to max 2h dps. I also think damage should be compensated if twitch is removed. Or... just make every hit proc a glancing blow if you have GTWF, that way there is no difference in twitch or not, and it would possibly bring the dps up to twf.

7 - Scythe would definately be cool But it would be nice to distribute more "good" weapons and make use of existing weaps that are weak.

[~Tago_Bane]

This is just flat out incorrect.
If you're going to rant, having your facts straight would really help.

if I'm wrong plz correct me don't just say I'm wrong.

[IronClan]

The following qualify as basic DPS, which TWF loses out on strongly and thus is not a valid argument as they are already being considered:

Khopesh.
Double bursts.
Double force.
Double greensteel enchantments.

Wait So are you saying that someone who wields a holy burst Great Axe and gets 2d6 holy and and 4d6 burst on a crit, is on a level playing field with someone wielding Khops who's getting 2d6 Holy in his main hand, 2d6 holy in his off hand, and 4d6 burst in his main and 4d6 burst in his off hand?

Or are you saying a 20th level Barb raged with 70 STR wielding a ESoS is outdoing a GS kopesh TWF? Because honestly I could give a rats behind about a small percentage comparison like that. The game can't be balanced for the minority. That's where other MMO's went wrong and why they have such a ridiculous never ending cycle of nerfs in those games.

The following no longer exist at all:

Double assassinate.

Maybe I mis read it, but they mentioned that offhand special attacks will go to the next target in the Que and so they wont need to do a separate CD check if the primary target dies on the main hand... It's big thread so I may have misunderstood that part, or maybe it doesn't apply to assassinate. *shrug* I'm probably wrong here but whatever.

The following have been nerfed into complete and utter uselessness:

Weighted auto stun (for the DC boost you only need one, thus even if you used one it's irrelevant to TWF).

Worked fine last time I used them... IMO Your definition of useless seems to be anything that isn't "uber" If I swing a good prefix weighted in one hand and a DPS weapon in the other am I not getting a tactical advantage that THF doesn't get (twice the possible weapon effects without switching weapons)?

The following is only relevant at lower levels:

Double paralyzers.
Double stat damagers.

And who cares about lower levels right? In a game that is so clearly designed around 20th level content

Meanwhile you can go THF and save 3 feats, 8 build points, and half plat/larges on weapons.

3 feats... Being realistic most who are focusing on THF are taking the 3 THF feats, and the same can be said for most who focus on TWF taking the 3 TWF feats... Oversized being MAYBE one more feat burden for TWF if your build doesn't have enough STR to hit (or as I hear it needed in Epics). Sure a THF can take no feats and hit targets more with higher base damage than a TWF with no feats, but lets not pretend either style is LIKELY to skip the three feats.

Not sure about 8 build points, I like having a reflex save though, so maybe that's just me... I have a Pali that's min maxed with Dex as a dump stat, and it's a THF build so I guess I have to agree it's between 6 (+2 tome) and 8... but that's a Pali which will end up with 16 base Charisma and a +6 item giving his reflex save a considerable boost... I wouldn't (personally) enjoy playing much of anything else with a dumped Dex.

Oh BTW you never answered why you have your MyDDO set to private when you were here giving Calebro grief for the same thing?

[Jarlow]

My friend came back from the test server and was over 10% slower on attack and no mention of server lag when the devs say its server lag a lie. So in my opinion its a big fat lie. Then they said its a level balance from what they wont answer so Warner Bros is just buying out with no regard to the people that pay for the game. For if its balance thats a bar scene not combat or a quest objective so heres my opinion.

Devs seem to be lying about the lag and that the game seems too be put on the back burner for the harry potter game but if your not going to tell the people that paid good money to play you should at least tell them the game is going to end do too age.

[Jarlow]

dont pee on me and say its raining just say they truth

[FluffyCalico]

Devs seem to be lying about the lag and that the game seems too be put on the back burner for the harry potter game.

Dude DDO went on the back burner 4 months before it launched...due to LOTR. It has never moved off the back burner.

[Jarlow]

that game sucked

[Jarlow]

the breed of the game is different the game is open not controlled

[Jarlow]

sry i came so late but we need an open game i would like it to be this one aka perfectworldnot going back dont let money b a factor please

[Jarlow]

why do i feal so alone in wanting a game thats true will keep looking if it changes im sad

[Elixxer]

I think the clear split of people supporting and against this change is a good indication you are on the right track.

In my book, anything that makes the different styles of combat more equal is a good thing. I think you'll make some people's heads explode because for their world to make sense there needs to be one clear and absolute best so they can be "teh Uberz".


I look forward to trying this out.

Bravo.

Have you ever fought a TWF person IRL? From what you wrote I guess not, they get way more attacks then a THF person does, better fake outs to get even more attacks in, and with DDO having most players play TWF toons everyone has been bred to be able to TWF where as real life not many are good at TWF (such as myself).

and did I hear THF gets a chance of double strike too? Maybe I just miss read... I don't need to see my toon nerfed and see THF get more attacks.

[Elixxer]

i agree with him.

I also agree! by the way can someone tell me what the hell DPS lag is? ._.

[Elixxer]

You are correct, double strike at this time does not apply to ranged or thrown attacks. We are planning on investigating various improvements to ranged combat in a future update.




This means AA are gonna get some love?

[Grimtooth333]

False. Both Rangers and non Rangers are down three feats... yes they get the TWF line for free, but since they have to take Dodge, Mobility, and Spring Attack they really aren't any better off.

Actually Rangers are worse off because Tempest 3 requires a fourth feat.

Except those 3 feats are not required for the two weapon fighting line or for a TWF Ranger, those feats are only required for the Tempest PRC and they really have nothing to do with the points I was making.

Bottom line is regardless of how you acquire them the TWF line needs to be even across the board... and 40/60/80 offhand is a joke. Something like 60/80/100 for offhand chance is fairer to all classes here, Rangers as well.

[Drekisen]

Well I was finally able to unlock my pure 20 wind monk.....went and tried out Acid Wit as I can't try and of the P2p STUFF YET.

All I have to say is I barely noticed a difference in combat at all...the DS was procc'ing consistanlty and I was still landing what seemed like just as many off hand attacks.......I am still having just as much fun, and I like the new spell casting sounds and animations.

I also tested my pure 20 Kensei GA user and noticed very little difference to THF.....

all in all I would have to say that for pure class builds anyways, this nerf is hardly a nerf.

[Jarlow]

every one must have missed the point this will be the first of many nerfs as they dont want this old game anymore on the bought out servers but if u cant handle the bar seen stay out of it but thts not the point dill holes> its the open game we are going to loose <whats next>

[Jarlow]

me and my bro did the test and when he got back off the test server i killed him almost every time he went to erease the down load he was un abble to log back on kiss my arss u liers

[mediocresurgeon]

Since Greater Two-Handed Fighting no longer does anything, I want 3 lvl20 respect shards for each of my THFers so that they can spend their 3 feats on something else.

The whole point of taking the Two-handed Fighting feat line was to eventually be able to get glancing blows while moving. Now, you can still take the Greater Two-Handed Fighting but it literally does nothing for your characters. (But we still have to fight moving targets... like kobolds, orges, and trolls, who I doubt have the same Glancing Blow nerf.)

[Jarlow]

if they allow u to change feats they must admit they killed ur toon

[Jarlow]

the waisted dex more than sucks