Thinking outside the square

[seldarin]

Here i was the other day on my new char, barb/ftr/rogue, lvl 5 and i saw an lfm up for a gwylans group 5-8. A couple of things struck my eye. One was "no noobs", another was "need hard/elite opener", third thing was, needed rogue or pally. As i have maxed rogue skills, i applied for the job. I got declined. When i asked why, the response was, "yeah as if you will be able to do the traps with one lvl of rogue".

Now i refer back to the comment "no noobs". Unless the game has changed drastically, you can open quests on hard right off the bat, been that way for a couple of years. Additionally the comment about not being able to do the traps purely because of 1 lvl of rogue. My 1 lvl of rogue has the same trapsmithing abilities as a full class lvl 5 rogue.

I reached the conclusion that the party leader shouldve excluded themselves from the group as they didnt want any noobs.

Is this the current state of the game, that people cant think beyond the standard classes, or that they lack the social skills to ask, rather than just blanket decline.

When i have applied for groups with my fighter/ranger/rogue i have been asked if i can do the rogue stuff, to which i usually either reply "yes" and explain my abilities, or if im being a bit sarcastic, i will ask them if they can do what their class is supposed to, this often meets with a laugh and acceptance into the group.

Whilst i realise that a lot of classes MC with rogue or monk for evasion and dont take rogue skills, i have also come across a lot of full class rogues that dont take the basics, proclaimining to be "combat" rogues.

To cap it off, they proceeded to take into their group a lvl 8 wiz/rogue and you guessed it, 1 lvl of rogue.

[iBrute]

This is basic human nature. People are stupid. Including you and I . Being 21, I have learned that over the years.

[Visty]

you can open quests on hard right off the bat, been that way for a couple of years.

would call 8-9 months "years"

[seldarin]

This is basic human nature. People are stupid. Including you and I . Being 21, I have learned that over the years.

Lol, i am 21 too, have been for a few years, i learnt 4 and 1/2 years ago i was stupid, others had been telling me for years but i was too stupid to listen

[Daggaz]

Sorry, i didnt read your whole post.. I was chuckling too much with the thread title.

Some day, you will make it all the way to the box, grasshopper, and then the lessons can begin.

[Eladiun]

Now i refer back to the comment "no noobs". Unless the game has changed drastically, you can open quests on hard right off the bat, been that way for a couple of years.

I believe only P2P/VIP players have that option but otherwise your on the mark about any LFM that says no Noobs, Vets tend to sat KYW or BYOH subtle difference allows you to differentiate. As for getting declined by idiots just deal with it, it's a fact of life...find another party or start your own.

[seldarin]

would call 8-9 months "years"

Been longer than 8-9 months. Been well over 12, which would take it to the couple of years bracket like i said. Was like it before i moved to Townsville which was 16 mths ago.

[Visty]

Been longer than 8-9 months. Been well over 12, which would take it to the couple of years bracket like i said. Was like it before i moved to Townsville which was 16 mths ago.

the ability to open on hard went live with the f2p model

General Quest Changes

* VIP players will be given the option to enter Hard difficulty dungeons without first completing the Normal difficulty mode.

http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Relea...mited_Official

so yes, ist 8-9 months

[Boldrin]

Here i was the other day on my new char, barb/ftr/rogue, lvl 5 and i saw an lfm up for a gwylans group 5-8. A couple of things struck my eye. One was "no noobs", another was "need hard/elite opener", third thing was, needed rogue or pally. As i have maxed rogue skills, i applied for the job. I got declined. When i asked why, the response was, "yeah as if you will be able to do the traps with one lvl of rogue".

Now i refer back to the comment "no noobs". Unless the game has changed drastically, you can open quests on hard right off the bat, been that way for a couple of years. Additionally the comment about not being able to do the traps purely because of 1 lvl of rogue. My 1 lvl of rogue has the same trapsmithing abilities as a full class lvl 5 rogue.

I reached the conclusion that the party leader shouldve excluded themselves from the group as they didnt want any noobs.

Is this the current state of the game, that people cant think beyond the standard classes, or that they lack the social skills to ask, rather than just blanket decline.

When i have applied for groups with my fighter/ranger/rogue i have been asked if i can do the rogue stuff, to which i usually either reply "yes" and explain my abilities, or if im being a bit sarcastic, i will ask them if they can do what their class is supposed to, this often meets with a laugh and acceptance into the group.

Whilst i realise that a lot of classes MC with rogue or monk for evasion and dont take rogue skills, i have also come across a lot of full class rogues that dont take the basics, proclaimining to be "combat" rogues.

To cap it off, they proceeded to take into their group a lvl 8 wiz/rogue and you guessed it, 1 lvl of rogue.

Why would you even want in that group, just go solo it, lol.

[seldarin]

Why would you even want in that group, just go solo it, lol.

I was being sociable lol

[Boldrin]

I was being sociable lol

Lies!! I call foul!!

[Strakeln]

Is this the current state of the game

Yes

[Rydin_Dirtay]

To cap it off, they proceeded to take into their group a lvl 8 wiz/rogue and you guessed it, 1 lvl of rogue.

Think about it this way...you just MIGHT have educated that fool. (he ended up taking a rogue multi)

[Aussieee]

Think about it this way...you just MIGHT have educated that fool. (he ended up taking a rogue multi)

I would have take the wiz/rogue as well , if I have given the choise of the 2. Wiz usually have high int. A lot more points to spend and he was also higher level which means he has better loot(maybe), like search,dd etc.

I am not saying that maybe he wont be able to get the traps, but if I had to pick wiz will win....

[McKillington]

I think my WF haggle Barb got declined from the same group

[Lo_Pan]

When you reach the age of 25 we can begin to talk about the thing you call 'thinking'. Until then, the brain fairy still hasn't began to give you all of your marbles back!

[seldarin]

I would have take the wiz/rogue as well , if I have given the choise of the 2. Wiz usually have high int. A lot more points to spend and he was also higher level which means he has better loot(maybe), like search,dd etc.

I am not saying that maybe he wont be able to get the traps, but if I had to pick wiz will win....

Pretty narrow minded approach there, but i expected nothing less. So what you are saying is, a lvl 6, with maxed rogue skills applies to join the group, that you would decline them, just on the off chance that a 7/1 wiz/rogue would apply, just on the off chance that they actually had rogue skills?

Thing is, wasnt a choice of deciding between the 2, first one applied and was declined, everyone else left the group and then the wiz applied some time later, so wasnt a choice at all. A lvl 8, might, not necessarily will, but might have marginally better gear than the lvl 6 in question. Gear is incremented at odd numbers, so lvl 7 for example. My char is now lvl 7 and has RR gear that is +10, tell me again how the lvl 8 would have better gear? Short answer is, they wouldnt.

There wasnt a choice. If there were 2 to choose from, so be it, but there wasnt end of story, so no relevance to the post in question.

[SirAppleheart]

Pretty narrow minded approach there, but i expected nothing less. So what you are saying is, a lvl 6, with maxed rogue skills applies to join the group, that you would decline them, just on the off chance that a 7/1 wiz/rogue would apply, just on the off chance that they actually had rogue skills?

Thing is, wasnt a choice of deciding between the 2, first one applied and was declined, everyone else left the group and then the wiz applied some time later, so wasnt a choice at all. A lvl 8, might, not necessarily will, but might have marginally better gear than the lvl 6 in question. Gear is incremented at odd numbers, so lvl 7 for example. My char is now lvl 7 and has RR gear that is +10, tell me again how the lvl 8 would have better gear? Short answer is, they wouldnt.

There wasnt a choice. If there were 2 to choose from, so be it, but there wasnt end of story, so no relevance to the post in question.

Now to be a bit nit-picky, but the boringly narrow-minded reply here was not Aussieee's. They said that IF given the choice of the two they'd prefer the Wiz/Rogue. That statement in itself has no real impact on your explained situation as, just as you mentioned yourself, it was most likely not a case of them having a choice. That said though, most likely at least. So how is it narrow-minded to express the view that a wizard hybrid of a higher level is more likely to have higher rogue skills then a non-wiz hybrid of lower level? That sounds more like common sense to me.

Also while you are NOW level 7 and have RR'd gear with the same skill levels on it your original post said that you were level 5 at the time, so at that time you did NOT have those items equipped. The fact that you at a later time got better gear doesn't negate the fact that at the time of the situation you posted about in the OP you did not, which is what other comments were based on.

No need to get cranky just because someone has a different opinion from your own, and no need to start getting defensive and making up new premises for the described situation.

[Rydin_Dirtay]

I would have take the wiz/rogue as well , if I have given the choise of the 2. Wiz usually have high int. A lot more points to spend and he was also higher level which means he has better loot(maybe), like search,dd etc.

I am not saying that maybe he wont be able to get the traps, but if I had to pick wiz will win....

You are assuming the party leader had a choice. He did not. The Wiz/Rog wasn't even on the radar yet.

[Gawna]

No need to get cranky just because someone has a different opinion from your own, and no need to start getting defensive and making up new premises for the described situation.

You're obviously new to Seldarin's posts.