Question about quicken

[mindlessdrone1991]

I've been following the build given in the "revisted paths" thread on the new player advice forums for the "font of healing". As per the build, I took the quicken spell feat at level 9. The only problem is, I don't know when to use it....

I used it once on an end fight, but I'm not sure when else it would be useful enough to justify the 10 extra SP cost. I imagine for raid healing it's on all the time, but how do I know when to turn it on otherwise?

[Wizzly_Bear]

Pretty much any time you are, or might be, taking a lot of damage and need to be able to get heals out. This can change quickly in a quest, especially in one you are not familiar with. For beginner use - use it on any boss fight.

[mindlessdrone1991]

Thanks. That makes sense.

[DoctorWhofan]

I use it only when I know I am in tight quarters and will get hit, thus a chance to interrupt my casting. Mostly for tight nasty fights and raids.

[sgtcatfish]

I havent seen the build you mentioned but if its a cleric or FvS and you are going to be a caster/heal type when you get blade barrier quicken is bread and butter as far as i am concerned getting offensive spells out as fast as possible like blade barrier is just a must or course it helps with faster healing mostly with mass heal spell

[phalaeo]

I only turn it off for buffs and quest healing. Totally needed for Blade Barriers and Mass Healing.

[Kronik]

Are there any items in the game that reduce the cost of the Quicken feat?

[joaofalcao]

Hello.

If someone is taking so much damage as to require quicken spell..... its better to let it die. After all, hes gonna drain your mana. Someone else should be holding the agro.

Theres 2 kinds of clerics(gross view).

The teamplayer, wich plans and agree on strategies to better manage the agro and maximize the cleric mana and utility as well of the party.

The babysitter, wich runs after zerging players with no sense of strategy(or patience) whatsoever. A babysitter could use the mentioned feat.

Sure thing this is dependant on the party, but you got to choose wich kind of cleric you want to be.

[zorander6]

I didn't read the forums before building my first character so I accidentally gimped it by taking eschew materials (go ahead and laugh) Haven't been able to get enough dragonshard fragments together to change that to quicken but it would be nice to have when I'm soloing. :/

[The_Great_Samulas]

Quicken is a powerful feat that can greatly reduce your reaction time and save characters from catastrophic damage. Because of this, many actually use it constantly, as has been mentioned. The down-side of this is healers actually become reliant upon it and never grow out of its use. You don't need it on almost all of the time once you are experienced (and provided you have concentration). People get used to it though and decide they can no longer keep people up without it. Quicken doesn't help you with interruption on heal scrolls, so if you have no concentration you can be interrupted by just about anything, when scrolling (a big mana saving technique). Quicken itself wastes tons of mana (15-20% of your mana pool will go to quickening on proficient caster, more if not). On an end stage cleric with 2100-2300 mana this is 315-460 mana just to quicken things. Basically a mana pot. Not to mention the fact that it actuallly can kill mana saving healing techniques you can use, because only big heals are actually feasible with quicken. And what about actually being a cleric and not a healbot? You going to quicken all your offensive spells too?

There are techniques to prevent interuption of spells that you will never learn if you don't try to wean yourself off the quicken crutch. You can't even try them if you don't get concentration. One of the biggest mana saving things a caster of any type needs to learn is the proper use of metamagics. You can always spot the cleric relying upon quicken - he's the one with no mana...

[Arlathen]

Quicken is a powerful feat that can greatly reduce your reaction time and save characters from catastrophic damage. Because of this, many actually use it constantly, as has been mentioned. The down-side of this is healers actually become reliant upon it and never grow out of its use. You don't need it on almost all of the time once you are experienced (and provided you have concentration). People get used to it though and decide they can no longer keep people up without it. Quicken doesn't help you with interruption on heal scrolls, so if you have no concentration you can be interrupted by just about anything, when scrolling (a big mana saving technique). Quicken itself wastes tons of mana (15-20% of your mana pool will go to quickening on proficient caster, more if not). On an end stage cleric with 2100-2300 mana this is 315-460 mana just to quicken things. Basically a mana pot. Not to mention the fact that it actuallly can kill mana saving healing techniques you can use, because only big heals are actually feasible with quicken. And what about actually being a cleric and not a healbot? You going to quicken all your offensive spells too?

There are techniques to prevent interuption of spells that you will never learn if you don't try to wean yourself off the quicken crutch. You can't even try them if you don't get concentration. One of the biggest mana saving things a caster of any type needs to learn is the proper use of metamagics. You can always spot the cleric relying upon quicken - he's the one with no mana...

Read. Digest. Follow Advice.

Sam The Man has some great points here, you should really heed.

[EKKM]

Hrm, quoting isn't working for me...

Sirgog,
You are the expert, and I don't mean that sarcastically.. My comment was based purely on personal experience and I would certainly not disagree with having much less experience than you. But to be quite honest, I haven't run into a situation yet where Empower Healing and ardor clickies hasn't been enough. That would include epic content and TOD. The only time I seem to have trouble keeping ppl alive is healing first base with NO CC. /RANT/. Yes, lag and low hp groups changes everything, but I've been lucky as of late to not have run into too much of either of those.

I agree, I do have maximize and rarely need it even in raids. With superior ardor VIII, empower healing with enhancements I can chain heal quite efficiently. I know maximize is more mana efficient but it also wastes a lot of HP overhealing. Its one of those theoretical concepts that doesnt hold true in practice.

[QUOTE=Skeptisaurus;2984931]Combat casting I do not feel is obsolete: 90% of the time I am uninterrupted for zero extra spell points. I can turn on Quicken when I'm deep in the SHT or have a BB or other time consuming cast to do.

QUOTE]

The issue with compbat casting is that that 90% of the time you dont fail, it wouldn't have helped anyway. Chances are you are succeeeding by a wdie margin and the feat isnnt actually helping. When you fail its likely because you take a big chunk of damage and the extra wouldn't help anyway as it was auto-fail. I'm sure there are times when it made the difference but I'm not sure it's worth a feat.

I didn't read the forums before building my first character so I accidentally gimped it by taking eschew materials (go ahead and laugh) Haven't been able to get enough dragonshard fragments together to change that to quicken but it would be nice to have when I'm soloing. :/

You can talk to Lockania in the market to do a quest to get a free feat respec. However, a lot of people save this for higher levels as feat respecs are very expensive then.

[Tarnoc]

Quicken is a powerful feat that can greatly reduce your reaction time and save characters from catastrophic damage. Because of this, many actually use it constantly, as has been mentioned. The down-side of this is healers actually become reliant upon it and never grow out of its use. You don't need it on almost all of the time once you are experienced (and provided you have concentration). People get used to it though and decide they can no longer keep people up without it. Quicken doesn't help you with interruption on heal scrolls, so if you have no concentration you can be interrupted by just about anything, when scrolling (a big mana saving technique). Quicken itself wastes tons of mana (15-20% of your mana pool will go to quickening on proficient caster, more if not). On an end stage cleric with 2100-2300 mana this is 315-460 mana just to quicken things. Basically a mana pot. Not to mention the fact that it actuallly can kill mana saving healing techniques you can use, because only big heals are actually feasible with quicken. And what about actually being a cleric and not a healbot? You going to quicken all your offensive spells too?

There are techniques to prevent interuption of spells that you will never learn if you don't try to wean yourself off the quicken crutch. You can't even try them if you don't get concentration. One of the biggest mana saving things a caster of any type needs to learn is the proper use of metamagics. You can always spot the cleric relying upon quicken - he's the one with no mana...

well actually i dont run outta mana unles its a real bad situation...i always keep quicken on and good luck with your conc saving you from archers in epic content like epic offering...

P.S.if your spells are interupted only a few times that mana cost will = or be greater then the total use of quicken

[Redlotusninjagrl]

Hello.

If someone is taking so much damage as to require quicken spell..... its better to let it die. After all, hes gonna drain your mana. Someone else should be holding the agro.

Theres 2 kinds of clerics(gross view).

The teamplayer, wich plans and agree on strategies to better manage the agro and maximize the cleric mana and utility as well of the party.

The babysitter, wich runs after zerging players with no sense of strategy(or patience) whatsoever. A babysitter could use the mentioned feat.

Sure thing this is dependant on the party, but you got to choose wich kind of cleric you want to be.

At lower levels, no you don't need quicken. At higher levels and especially in raids, you do need it. I am all for letting people die in lower level quests. But the mobs hit hard higher up and you have to be able to heal fast. Sometimes you have multiple people healing the group because of this.

I took quicken because even with maximizing concentration and wearing a "blank" of steady spellcasting, I was getting interrupted. Concentration did not help me get my spells out. Perhaps I need more luck to get a better concentration roll.

[Spoonwelder]

Gonna hijack and ask how important is heighten. I am running a CL17 CC/Heal focused cleric (WIS 30 if it matters

As I do some CC, I have found my bread and butter from earlier levels are not hitting. Running in the Vale and Destruction is still working most of the time, but G. Command, Soundburst, Cometfall are all failing to supply any crowd control and Banish is maybe 30-50% effective....is that to be expected in the Vale and related quests or would Heighten pump up the results on those.

Oh and another question - in reading this thread someone mentioned Blade Barrier in conjunction with Wisdom somehow affecting it? I don't think so based upon experience (CR2 creatures getting 1/2 damage while I was farming some favor)but.... is there a DC to BB or is it just purely reflex save for 1/2 and it is dependant upon the creature not me?

[vVAnjilaVv]

Really, use Quicken whenever you know u will be taking a lot of damage urself, when u absolutely have to get off no fail healing and when u need to cast a spell that takes a long time to cast and you have aggro.....like Blade Barrier or Symbol spells.

Probably some other times it is useful, but these are the three I am thinking of right now......also you really can get by without quicken until 12th if u keep your concentration maxxed and have an item on, which until 11th you can easily use a helm, and those are abundant.