Conc Opp or not?

[Gercho]

I m close to make the second shroud item for my paladin (have a triple air cloak, hp sp hp as first item), i didnt put cha skills on the third tier of the cloak cause i had +3 cha skills on the dt, so i figured i could wait till the second item. Anyway, my pala is a 18/2 rogue dps, drow, but i may want to lr or tr in the future to include self healing, in that case i will need a conc opposition item, the question is, how good is conc opposition for my char now if i dont have self healing focus? will the extra hp's and mana be worth? should i craft some guard instead? (as i need +3 cha skills on tier 3, the only good guards i could craft are freezing ice or lightning strike).

[Gercho]

So, no one can tell me if conc opp is worthy for a paladin that is not healing through spells? i dont mean optimal, bit if is good enough i go conc opp in case i chose to resturrect in some way for a more self healing version...

[Sirea]

I guess it would depend on a few things:

What the likelihood is that you'll reincarnate into a "self-healing" build;
How much being able to self heal means to you;
How many large ingredients you currently have.

Although I'm kinda baffled as to why you wouldn't already have UMD on a build like that anyway, as the Rogue levels enable you to take a full rank in UMD and any self-respecting pally build should have a decent CHA modifier to add to that UMD score.

UMD aside, having the Con-Op would be nice when meleeing and using your own Cure spells. Couple it with a Torc and you should have nearly unlimited mana.

[Dark-Star]

Just crafted con-op on my pali after a lot of deliberation and chatting with friends. Extra mana and temp hps are nice, so is the +6 wisdom for free.

The other guards are not that worth it on a pali. Freezing Ice is a fort save, and fort heavy monsters are the ones likely to be swinging at you. LS's proc is so very low, and unless you are tanking is marginal for the larges invested, and sometimes you don't want things to die.

[William_the_Bat]

A pally lives and dies by his buffs. No more zeal and divine favor = sad pally. So I'd say even if you aren't specced out for self-healing, it'll still be useful.

[Gercho]

I guess it would depend on a few things:

What the likelihood is that you'll reincarnate into a "self-healing" build;
How much being able to self heal means to you;
How many large ingredients you currently have.

Although I'm kinda baffled as to why you wouldn't already have UMD on a build like that anyway, as the Rogue levels enable you to take a full rank in UMD and any self-respecting pally build should have a decent CHA modifier to add to that UMD score.

UMD aside, having the Con-Op would be nice when meleeing and using your own Cure spells. Couple it with a Torc and you should have nearly unlimited mana.

I do have full umd on my pala, and use heal scrolls, but heal scrolls are good for inbetween fights or maybe kiting, if i tr or lr for self healing i would plan to have quicken and maximize and maybe empower healing and use the torc with a conc opp, that should allow me to self heal during a battle. I wont tr right away, but if conc opp is good anyway, then i can craft it, right now i have just enough larges to make a double shard third tier... (maybe i missing a couple)

Thanks for the answers!

[PopeJual]

And don't forget to craft a GS Mineral II Great Axe or a pair of GS Mineral II Khopeshes BEFORE you TR if you do decide to TR.

You can get away with just using the Paladin Holy Sword just fine and skip the Mineral II weapons in this life, but if you're not a Paladin in the next life, you'll want those goodies waiting for you.

[Gercho]

yes, thats a good reason why i will tr into a paladin :P

[Goldeneye]

Conc opp is very nice on a paladin
way better then any guard... though very expensive

Especially on a melee character, sp-regen % on hit can restore a fair number of SP over time.

CHA skills on GS is a must. Get something better on your DT

If you can afford it - do it immediately.

[Nyvn]

My Ranger has it and the Torc, he also has Maxamize perma on. If you have the larges it's definitely worth it. It comes in handy for more than self healing. You can toss heals on the cleric/fvs who's being beat on.

[Noctus]

Its worth it.

If you arent extremely short on larges, craft it!

[PopeJual]

Its worth it.

If you arent extremely short on larges, craft it!

And if you are extremely short on Larges, then get some more larges and craft it anyway.

[Gercho]

ok people, got enough positive feedback to convince me that i should craft the conc opp , just one shroud from a cleansing essence

[bunkerhugger]

Its worth it.

Agreed. What it does for me (another 18/2 dps guy) is give me a buffer when the mobs start beating on me. Since it's a long slow grind for AC (and our builds aren't optimized for it anyway), temp hit points is another way to be able to stay alive when you get too much aggro too fast. The extra sp are nice, but I rarely run out of sp anyway. Do it for the hp.