For all the new player Clerics are HEALERS not tanks....

[Missing_Minds]

I don't remember it was many hrs and much aggravation ago. I am getting tired of clarifying that my OP was worded poorly however and am wondering if i can somehow get the thread pulled.

Pulled no, but you can PM Tarrant or Tolero and request that they close it for you.

[Visty]

clerics/souls get a 3/4 bab
they are as much fighters as rogues and bards
just because your buils suck doesnt mean all builds suck

so suck it up and buy some healing potions

so, who give me the negative rep for this?

my bet is on slink

[TWDiggs1980]

so, who give me the negative rep for this?

my bet is on slink

I'm not sure Visti I don't subtract rep from people unless they are swearing every other word in thier post. People are entitled to thier opinions and feelings so i don't neg rep them for that.

[Visty]

I'm not sure Visti I don't subtract rep from people unless they are swearing every other word in thier post. People are entitled to thier opinions and feelings so i don't neg rep them for that.

did i miss something?
arent you twdiggs? and not slink?

[Emili]

Appologies Kalari, much respect to you.
Was early before coffee had set in and was in unique mood.
Have a tendency to troll a bit more those times of the day.
Read on a bit further to another of my longer posts in this thread should make it obvious how I feel about my gameplay.

I do understand the class abilities from many different perspectives.
I also believe that the OP although may have been poorly worded, was intended to make the "new" players understand that in a party setting they should consider their position a unique one.
This doesnt mean that any cleric/FvS is required to heal anyone.
Yet, if they choose not to, it should also be their priority to dish out enough crowd control to mitigate damage before it happens.
In a group setting, those who wish to play a divine class should be expected to assist the group with the benefits they are given, healing being one of those attributes.
If they dont wish to heal members of their 'group' they should go solo.

These newer players should also be working on their healing abilities in group settings because the vast majority of them zone into their first raid and are completely unprepared for what will be required of them by the group.

It is very easy for all of the longtime players to sit back and say that healing isnt needed at low level content yet 2 threads from now will rant about the newb healer in a raid that didnt know what the hell was going on.
These newer players dont have the luxury of 3-4 years DDO experience to understand the consequences of how they interact with their group.
They also reach lvl cap so fast without have a grasp on the most basic of concepts in a divine class role.

I dont have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times in shroud "part 1" I have asked for a prayer and the divine mumbles something about not having it memmed and hands out recitation instead, all the while claiming that recitation is a better choice for that circumstance....

I am not saying cleric's only duty is healing the masses but I **** well know when it really matters that's what I better be doing.
And if I am not keeping the melee up you better believe I'm spamming mass inflicts/harm/BB/destruction/banishment/gtr command/cometfall and whatever else happens to fall under my cursor on the hotbar.

And this I happen to agree with....The party should not have to play asside you but with you.

"I see what you're doing..." or so whispers in my ear. A typicall Slink-ish comment as I wand whip Teresi or some other party member from my ranger or pally...

[TWDiggs1980]

did i miss something?
arent you twdiggs? and not slink?

I am super Slink. Sorry just tired.

[Slink]

so, who give me the negative rep for this?

my bet is on slink

lol, you wish.
I dont give out neg rep except on wedsnesdays.

Edit: only handed out pos rep today and reached my 24 hour cap before 11 am Eastern.
You were in fact on the recieving end of a positive if I remember correctly.

Edit#2: yes I gave you pos rep for :
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=68

[Visty]

lol, you wish.
I dont give out neg rep except on wedsnesdays.

somewhere on the world is always wednesday

[Emili]

lol, you wish.
I dont give out neg rep except on wedsnesdays.

I think I only ever gave out neg rep twice since rep existed? Definately never to Visty.

Oh well anyway, let's get back to flatware?

[stainer]

I just got back from lunch and read the entire thread.

OMG, Hjeal me! You all suck! /ragequit

[Slink]

I think I only ever gave out neg rep twice since rep existed? Definately never to Visty.

Oh well anyway, let's get back to flatware?

Yes, I will let you poke me if you let me poke you!

[Tarnoc]

Thats funny, coming from the guy that 'doesnt have any public characters'.
Put up or shut up.

good come back sorry that the link to my toons doesnt work my clerics name is neelloc of thelanis

feel free to look her up and feel ashamed of your gimped clerics hps

[Slink]

good come back sorry that the link to my toons doesnt work my clerics name is neelloc of thelanis

feel free to look her up and feel ashamed of your gimped clerics hps

Call it as you will, I do not care what you think of me or my characters.
But investigating others alts while hiding behind your veil of anonymous...

People in hiding usually have a reason to hide.

[Rabbi_Hordo]

Call it as you will, I do not care what you think of me or my characters.
But investigating others alts while hiding behind your veil of anonymous...

People in hiding usually have a reason to hide.

I hide to improve my Piking DC.

[jkm]

good come back sorry that the link to my toons doesnt work my clerics name is neelloc of thelanis

feel free to look her up and feel ashamed of your gimped clerics hps

???

you started with a 14 con - ANYONE can get to 26 con from there if they choose (+6 item +3 exceptional +3 tome).

what is really throwing me is the kukri

[Slink]

???

you started with a 14 con - ANYONE can get to 26 con from there if they choose (+6 item +3 exceptional +3 tome).

what is really throwing me is the kukri

He is not worth investigating.

28 point that hasnt been updated since sept '09.
Still lacking GS hp item on T yet I dont care, rare if ever she dies as is.
She sits now at 39 wisdom 2300 mana and 379.

Ever the time she goes out of anonymous the tells rain.

[Calebro]

so, who give me the negative rep for this?

my bet is on slink

I didn't, but I thought about it. It was definitely worthy. In case you don't understand why, you told him that his builds (which you haven't seen) suck.
It's ignorant and insulting.

[stainer]

2300 mana

Oh my. Dreckler uses every bit of it.

[Anthem]

I am sorry my OP was posted in the wee hrs of the morning and i had and still have been up for awhile and had just ran a quest in which the cleric might have heled himself twice while i'm wand whipping the party through.

Well you've done a heck of a lot of backpedaling since your catastrophically bad OP. It's a start.

If a cleric isn't using all the abilities they have available to them to help their party, then they're short-changing themselves and their party. In addition to healing and buffing the worthy, that includes body-blocking, shield blocking, crowd control, offensive casting, melee, and yes -- when the so-called tanks can't do their job properly, even tanking.

[TWDiggs1980]

Well you've done a heck of a lot of backpedaling since your catastrophically bad OP. It's a start.

Feels like I have been swimming upstream. My OP was poorly stated I will be the first to say it.