For all the new player Clerics are HEALERS not tanks....

[Loki]

as what do i count?
agreeing or disagreeing?

Unless I missed something, I count you in the "Disagree" category.

Did I miss something?

[Visty]

Unless I missed something, I count you in the "Disagree" category.

Did I miss something?

nop, just wanted to make sure if i need to reply to you that some here might also be europe veterans in reply to

Most likely they're refreegees from some other game where they learned that parties HAVE to have dedicated tanks, DPS, and healers.

and still have a joindate from less then a year

[Angel_Barchild]

hmmm, reminds me of the ex-wife.

Asked me to "clean your stuff off the top of the refrigerator".

grabbed my wallet and made snide comment about the other stuff not being mine.
The heavy laden coinjar top of the fridge cracked one of my front uppers, lol.

Hurt to eat for few days after

Ouch now that's mean. I could learn a thing or two from that woman Just kidding I wouldn't want to pay that kind of dental bill.

[Asketes]

i know a lvl 20 FvS that kills DQ elite just by tanking it (kills her with guards alone)

but then again, the OP did say *new* players, so my friend is disqualified from that.

hehe

[PopeJual]

The OP's post has nothing to do with soloing... it is about playing as a team. I'm quite sure a BC could solo the quests he's put lfm for - I am quite sure that is not why he accepted them to group though... he was looking for a team player but instead received someone more interested in playing alone.

That's a completely different matter, though. I was just trying to point out to anyone who thinks that Clerics are limited in their abilities to do ANYTHING, that they can solo pretty much everything in the game.

...and if they can solo it, they can probably succeed in completing it with a group as well.

Clerics are certainly not alone in being zerg-tastic piles of non-team-playing fail in that respect. I've seen Fighters, Barbs, Rangers, Wizards, etc. all running through a quest as if the rest of the party didn't exist.

Weirdly enough, I've never seen Sorcerers do it. Not sure why.

[TWDiggs1980]

and still have a joindate from less then a year

Played for quite awhile quit and came back forgot my original account info so just started a new on instead of bugging the ever helpfull turbine support (sarcasm intended).

[Emili]

Unless I missed something, I count you in the "Disagree" category.

Did I miss something?

I'll assure you, I've like minded as Slink and even for lack of founder on my under my forum account the name of first character I ever rolled is listed on the habor fountain.

[Emili]

hmmm, reminds me of the ex-wife.

Asked me to "clean your stuff off the top of the refrigerator".

grabbed my wallet and made snide comment about the other stuff not being mine.
The heavy laden coinjar top of the fridge cracked one of my front uppers, lol.

Hurt to eat for few days after

Bloody sad some do not adhere to take such opportunities to correct with a more personal punishment.

[Loki]

Been here sometime myself and know what he was really trying to say... still, am more interested in the fork stabbings...

Fork stabbings are funny and all, but I want to hear more about setting the OP on fire.

Immolation > fork stabbing, IMO.

[Angel_Barchild]

Fork stabbings are funny and all, but I want to hear more about setting the OP on fire.

Immolation > fork stabbing, IMO.

Let's just say that if a crazy red head you know is flicking her lighter by your shirt, and says move or I will light you on fire. Standing there and mumbling "whatever" is the wrong answer.

[TWDiggs1980]

Fork stabbings are funny and all, but I want to hear more about setting the OP on fire.

Immolation > fork stabbing, IMO.

LOL she's a close friend might as well call her my big sister and well you know how siblings get.

[TWDiggs1980]

Let's just say that if a crazy red head you know is flicking her lighter by your shirt, and says move or I will light you on fire. Standing there and mumbling "whatever" is the wrong answer.

Oh and never use the term(Bite me) around her.

[Merrelll]

Hmmm ok. I cant believe some of the responses that this thread has received but then again this is Khyber. It was my bad the thread title should have said SUPPORT CLASS not tanks and if your read my OP it does. I'm not saying that a cleric has to play nannybot but a cleric does need to heal I'm not saying a cleric cant jump in and help out in combat if it's needed but when they do they need to pay attention to life bars. Alot of the noob clerics I have been running into in pugs on my lowbie bard seem to think that combat is all there is and don't know that they have healing spells and well my bard goes through three cure serious wands trying to make up for that fact.

This here is fundementally the problem you are not seeing. EVERY person in the group should have pots on them. To remove poison, remove blindness, remove disease, remove curse, lesser restoration and cure. Now in the heat of a battle you may not have time to drink a potion, or if a barbarian; the ability to do so. I can see a Cleric, Ranger, Paladin, Bard, and Favored Soul using a wand to heal. But between battles everyone should use their own pots, again the barbarian may not be able to do so. To rely on the cleric to do this is ridiculous. To have the cleric supply others in the game who are too lazy or cheap to heal them all the time is just wrong.

[Loki]

nop, just wanted to make sure if i need to reply to you that some here might also be europe veterans in reply to and still have a joindate from less then a year

I know Join Date isn't a guaranteed indicator of actual play time. But it's generally a good place to start, and if combined with an obvious newbie indicator like "baddleclerics r teh sux0r" then you start to get a pretty good picture of what's going on.

I'll assure you, I've like minded as Slink and even for lack of founder on my under my forum account the name of first character I ever rolled is listed on the habor fountain.

Based on your sig, I rather assumed you'd be on Slink's side

[TWDiggs1980]

This here is fundementally the problem you are not seeing. EVERY person in the group should have pots on them. To remove poison,remove blindness,remove disease, lesser restoration and cure. Now in the heat of a battle you may not have time to drink a potion, or if a barbarian; the ability to do so. I can see a cleric, ranger, paladin, bard using a wand to heal. But between battles everyone should use their own pots, again the barbarian may not be able to do so. To rely on the cleric to do this is ridiculous. To have the cleric supply others in the game who are too lazy or cheap to heal them all the time is just wrong.

Not asking for constant heals from the cleric just asking that they do realize that they are needed to pull out and throw some out in combat when required. I carry pots and wands on all my toons and give the clerics mana pots if i have one laying around when i see that things are getting hairy and they are running low on sp. I'm not saying that a party should be solely dependant on a healer class to make it through a quest but new players that choose to play clerics need to realize that there is some healing demanded of them.

[TWDiggs1980]

[QUOTE=Loki;2964479]I know Join Date isn't a guaranteed indicator of actual play time. But it's generally a good place to start, and if combined with an obvious newbie indicator like "baddleclerics r teh sux0r" then you start to get a pretty good picture of what's going on.QUOTE]


I should have worded my OP better.

[Elsbet]

I'm not saying that a party should be solely dependant on a healer class to make it through a quest but new players that choose to play clerics need to realize that there is some healing demanded of them.

Anyone who demands that I heal them when on my clerics spends a lot of time dead. No one in this game has the right to demand anything of me. My parents, my child and significant others don't even get to demand anything of me and I actually love them. (Maybe. Sometimes. )

People who ask politely will never notice a drop in their health bar. Your biggest mistake is assuming that clerics are a healing class and a healing class only. Until you realize that that is a secondary role and not primary, you'll never get it--or be a very good cleric.

[Loki]

Let's just say that if a crazy red head you know is flicking her lighter by your shirt, and says move or I will light you on fire. Standing there and mumbling "whatever" is the wrong answer.

Oh I get the red-head temper thing. I have a 7yr old daughter that looks like the poster child for the Emerald Isle Tourist Department. Red hair streaked with strawberry blonde highlights, fair skin, and crystal clear ice blue eyes. I'd buy her a shillelagh, but I fear for the lawsuits that would follow...

I'm also fairly certain I'll be apologizing to a lot of parents once she starts dating. And god help the first girl to break her twin brother's heart. That poor wench will likely find herself drugged unconscious and sold to Siberian sex traders before the end of the day...

[Emili]

Let's just say that if a crazy red head you know is flicking her lighter by your shirt, and says move or I will light you on fire. Standing there and mumbling "whatever" is the wrong answer.

Don' blame nothing on the hair colour... facts be was the right thing to do given the time.

Based on your sig, I rather assumed you'd be on Slink's side

Oh, there be times I let him think he be right... and other times I let him mind I'm wrong (even though I may be mistaken instead.)

[TWDiggs1980]

Anyone who demands that I heal them when on my clerics spends a lot of time dead. No one in this game has the right to demand anything of me. My parents, my child and significant others don't even get to demand anything of me and I actually love them. (Maybe. Sometimes. )

People who ask politely will never notice a drop in their health bar. Your biggest mistake is assuming that clerics are a healing class and a healing class only. Until you realize that that is a secondary role and not primary, you'll never get it--or be a very good cleric.

Nope healing is primary role of cleric/fvs everything else is secondary to say so otherwise goes against what the base description says about the classes. Also would like to state that never get any complaints when playing my cleric in fact get alot of kudos and thanks for keeping us up through shroud which i can solo heal while helping out in the melee. I never said clerics where healing class only my OP says support class and I continue to stand by it.