DDO Ripoff store

[cdemeritt]

Oh wow... How dare a business want to make money from entertaining you...

With this, what's next?

Movie theaters actually charging for tickets?
Music companies making you pay to download their music?
Baseball teams wanting you purchase seats?
Arcades actually needing coins to play?
etc. etc..

Sorry, everyone pays to play... that is life. DDO has free options... no need to pay, but you will need to work for it.
Ripoffs for me are the hats, lowlevel gear, and other items easily aquired ingame...

[Durion]

if you can't earn that 40 turbine points thru favor alone, you probably shouldn't be playing this game >_>

oh, and did you know sometimes the classes get put on SALE?

No he didn't know, because he's come onto the forums ranting after playing for a whole 2 weeks tops.

[norman_quickfinger]

Oh please shot me for acually reading a noobs rant

[Kistilan]

lol, Kis, aren't you running late for your class for being classy?

If you mean the one I teach at the YMCA for a small nominal fee? I'm on holidays! Borror0 is subbing in.

note: prices have logically been raised to install a direct T3 connection and duel-box rig for Borror0's hypothetical lectures to become a self-realized Socratic Truism.

[Jendrak]

Yeah great game so far, played for a few days, one HUGE problem with you guys.

Monk + Favored soul: 1590 pts... $19.50 = 1550 pts
$19.50/1550pt = $.1258/pt .... 1590pts * $.1258 = $20(+3/10 of a cent)
Rip off? I think yes...
This says one thing: "We are going to make you pay more than you want."

Get rid of the bull **** token system for purchasing from the DDO store. Cursing is justified here, i don't care if it offends anyone, it properly gets the point across.

If i want to buy 1 thing, I only want to pay for that one thing. This point system drops you guys down to the level of "Korean power grinder" because all the south east asian mmos use this same **** system to rip of customers.

If you aren't willing to drop the token system, let us choose how much we buy to the single digit. you can scale your "bonus" to the amount, the equation will take 1 min to create based off of your current data.

The funny part is you will make more money if you don't make people overpay, because more people will buy things if they don't have to overspend for that one thing they want.

Other than that gj

Yeah, and i don't care if there is already a topic about this, or if there are a lot of topics about this. If either of these are so, the point needs to be brought across stronger. So there is no need to waste you time telling me so.

Yet you wasted your time typing this and over shadowing any good point you may have had with the artistic skill of a ranting lunatic.

nice job

[cardmj1]

I just wish I was a vip so I could neg rep you for being abusive in your first post. I understand you don't like the system and that is your opinion but your post screams racism against asians and your comments about I don't care if I offend and swear and cursing is justified to complain about the way they setup their system. You may have a valid point or not but the way you presented was in very poor taste. I would give you a neg rep for it but I can't so I hope others do.

Now about your post. First you should read the forums, and ask questions before complaining so vigilantly about a game. This game has one of the best free setups you can get. I am a F2P player only. I have bought monk, catacombs, STK and am going to get Vale of Twilight soon while it is on sale.

Here is how you can do everything for free. Run one character to about 500 points on a server. That character will give you 275 points. Do that on all 7 servers and you now have 1925 points. Use that points to buy packs. I bought monk as I like to solo and a light based monk can get through many of the quests on elite so he can get to the 500 points faster. If you need more then that then you can add a player on each server run him to 100 points and delete and start again. IT does not take long to get to 100 points and the first quests are fairly easy to run through most.

So saying you can't buy both the fvs and monk with a $19 purchase on it's own is another problem with your post. First you would only be 40 points short so buy the one and then save the points play a character in korthos through all the quests on norm and wehn you get to stromreach you will have your points to buy the other.
However, I don't get your grief. The game only has two special classes. The $19 purchase is not the top purchase so expecting it to be high enough to purchase both of the special classes seems absurd. Another thing you mentioned is we should be able to buy each thing and pay for that only. In that case you would have had to choose between fvs and monk so again you are contradicting your argument.

Anyway, since you like the game you will learn these things and if you don't want to pay you will see you don't need to pay. I don't. I might one day but as of now I am ok with just playing all the stuff I can. If later when I really know the game and want to put money into it i will.

So be patient, don't be abusive toward asians, listen in game and read to learn and you may find your experience here a good one.

+1 rep to you. Excellent post of information and welcome to the game. Glad to have ya.

[cardmj1]

Oh please shot me for acually reading a noobs rant

[Kistilan]

The best "O" face, ever. (This is so dirty)

[samthedagger]

Yet another n00b complaining about a free game. Lame.

[HumanJHawkins]

Sorry either accept the way it is or move along, move along, like ya know you should.

Stated like a true vegetable.

Just because the OP has no tact, doesn't mean there isn't a legit point. There are a lot of things I would buy if I could just buy them. I don't mind the prices... If something is too high I won't buy it. But if it's not too high, I would. Except that maybe I don't want to spend $50 on points so I can buy a $5 item.

I understand the fact that they have to sell people points because it confuses the average customer and tricks them into buying more stuff. Fine. But how about selling 500 points at a time? This still makes Turbine loads of $. Because if someone wants that 380 point item, they are going to buy 500 points and Turbine scores $. But the bundles they have now are a showstopper for a lot of people, including me.

[Chai]

Sub up - or deal with the point system. Those are your two options. If you dont like the Korean power grinder payment method, then sub up. Its 50 cents per day. Drink one less soda each day, and you got it covered. Put the faygo down and sub up already. Or, stay premium, and moan about the payment method.

[Chai]

Stated like a true vegetable.

Just because the OP has no tact, doesn't mean there isn't a legit point. There are a lot of things I would buy if I could just buy them. I don't mind the prices... If something is too high I won't buy it. But if it's not too high, I would. Except that maybe I don't want to spend $50 on points so I can buy a $5 item.

I understand the fact that they have to sell people points because it confuses the average customer and tricks them into buying more stuff. Fine. But how about selling 500 points at a time? This still makes Turbine loads of $. Because if someone wants that 380 point item, they are going to buy 500 points and Turbine scores $. But the bundles they have now are a showstopper for a lot of people, including me.

Your collective point would carry more weight if it was the only payment method. Sub up, and you dont have to worry about paying for anything else other than 15 bucks a month, ever again. No hidden costs, gotchas, or prices. No being subject to what you feel to be less than reasonable prices for new content in the future.

This whole "owning the game" thing is an illusion anyhow, because each time they release something new, the premium crowd will have to buy it. If they dont buy it, they dont get the new content and they get passed up gear wise. When they finally shut the servers off, premiums and VIPs alike will be left with the same scenario - nothing.

Each time they add new content, classes, or other features, itemizing the 15 dolar a month fee shows each item to cost less and less incrementally, because I am getting more features for the same money.

P.S. Points packages I see in the store right now are priced at: 6.50, 19.50, 29.50, 49.99 - so you have alot more options available then just the one 50 dollar package. You just get more for your money if you spend more. If you dont want to spend 50 bucks on points, dont. But you go into that knowing that if you buy the larger increment, you are paying less per point.

[Daehawk]

Monk + Favored soul: 1590 pts... $19.50 = 1550 pts
$19.50/1550pt = $.1258/pt .... 1590pts * $.1258 = $20(+3/10 of a cent)

There's a small flaw with your theory. If you want to pay only the 19.50 for 1,550 points and get Monk + Favored Soul. Guess what? You can.

No one pointed this out from what I read, but here it goes.
Monk On Sale: 596
Favored Soul on Sale: 596
Both together on sale: 1,192
1,550-1,192 = 358 points left over.

Congradulations. You just got them both for cheaper than 19.50.

[asphodeli]

Yeah great game so far, played for a few days, one HUGE problem with you guys.

Monk + Favored soul: 1590 pts... $19.50 = 1550 pts
$19.50/1550pt = $.1258/pt .... 1590pts * $.1258 = $20(+3/10 of a cent)
Rip off? I think yes...
This says one thing: "We are going to make you pay more than you want."

Get rid of the bull **** token system for purchasing from the DDO store. Cursing is justified here, i don't care if it offends anyone, it properly gets the point across.

If i want to buy 1 thing, I only want to pay for that one thing. This point system drops you guys down to the level of "Korean power grinder" because all the south east asian mmos use this same **** system to rip of customers.

If you aren't willing to drop the token system, let us choose how much we buy to the single digit. you can scale your "bonus" to the amount, the equation will take 1 min to create based off of your current data.

The funny part is you will make more money if you don't make people overpay, because more people will buy things if they don't have to overspend for that one thing they want.

Other than that gj

Yeah, and i don't care if there is already a topic about this, or if there are a lot of topics about this. If either of these are so, the point needs to be brought across stronger. So there is no need to waste you time telling me so.

If I had enough rep points I'd neg rep you to oblivion. I find your post very distasteful, as I hail from a SEA country. Also, get your facts right, the SEA region are not well-known for making grindy MMOs. If you're complaining about the way Turbine markets its points, I agree, the "bonus points" system isn't really clear to people. However, by your logic, conversion of real world cash to points and back as a basis of argument that its a ripoff isn't valid.

[AbsynthMinded]

I've been in and out of DDO for years.. I was a founder (See Forum Tag).. I paid subscription for almost a year, quit.. Came back for a few months of subscription, quit again.. DDO went F2P, didn't play till some 6 months or so later.. Came back, dropped 100$ UDS, waited for sales, earned extra points on Favor and unlocked most Favor Features on my server of choice.. I own all content, all features, and all Classes/Races..

I think My economics are working out just fine in DDO.

[DelverRootnose]

Tip: You get TP for earning Favor. Every 100 points of Favor, you get 25 turbine points. First characters on a server also get bonus points before hitting 100. Create a toon, run it up to 100 Favor, on a server you haven't ran yet. You've just got enough points to just buy Monk and FvS. No extra money spent beyond your $20.

You can hit 100 Favor in a day, so pick a Saturday, roll something, and get to work. There are even groups who do nothing but grind for favor, in order to circumvent paying any money for anything. Find one, and join in for awhile. If you really have time, you can repeatedly run to 100 favor, delete character and start again. Takes a long while to get anywhere doing that, but then it's free, and you can earn enough to buy whatever you want.

That favored souls and monk can be opened on one server with lots of favor points. So if you can wait and play a barbarian for a month or so you probably can get enough favor to open up favored soul.

[magnus1]

And of course OP. You don't have to play.

Sorry either accept the way it is or move along, move along, like ya know you should.

how can you fix the things that are wrong if you run away? might be a good way to avoid conflicts but nothing gets accomplished from it. i'd say stand up for what you believe needs to be changed/no cowardly acts of running away!

[blackdrowarcanenuts]

I just wish I was a vip so I could neg rep you for being abusive in your first post. I understand you don't like the system and that is your opinion but your post screams racism against asians and your comments about I don't care if I offend and swear and cursing is justified to complain about the way they setup their system. You may have a valid point or not but the way you presented was in very poor taste. I would give you a neg rep for it but I can't so I hope others do.

Now about your post. First you should read the forums, and ask questions before complaining so vigilantly about a game. This game has one of the best free setups you can get. I am a F2P player only. I have bought monk, catacombs, STK and am going to get Vale of Twilight soon while it is on sale.

Here is how you can do everything for free. Run one character to about 500 points on a server. That character will give you 275 points. Do that on all 7 servers and you now have 1925 points. Use that points to buy packs. I bought monk as I like to solo and a light based monk can get through many of the quests on elite so he can get to the 500 points faster. If you need more then that then you can add a player on each server run him to 100 points and delete and start again. IT does not take long to get to 100 points and the first quests are fairly easy to run through most.

So saying you can't buy both the fvs and monk with a $19 purchase on it's own is another problem with your post. First you would only be 40 points short so buy the one and then save the points play a character in korthos through all the quests on norm and wehn you get to stromreach you will have your points to buy the other.
However, I don't get your grief. The game only has two special classes. The $19 purchase is not the top purchase so expecting it to be high enough to purchase both of the special classes seems absurd. Another thing you mentioned is we should be able to buy each thing and pay for that only. In that case you would have had to choose between fvs and monk so again you are contradicting your argument.

Anyway, since you like the game you will learn these things and if you don't want to pay you will see you don't need to pay. I don't. I might one day but as of now I am ok with just playing all the stuff I can. If later when I really know the game and want to put money into it i will.

So be patient, don't be abusive toward asians, listen in game and read to learn and you may find your experience here a good one.

Well said am also an f2p got stk necro 3 monk class vale of twilight pack and playing monk and he is getting favors faster hehe One has to be patient

[Visty]

how can you fix the things that are wrong if you run away? might be a good way to avoid conflicts but nothing gets accomplished from it. i'd say stand up for what you believe needs to be changed/no cowardly acts of running away!

nothing* is wrong so nothing has to get fixed


(*in general theres alot still wrong with this game but nothing this thread refers to)

[rdasca]

Really? So, you're complaining because spending $20 is a ripoff to get a class you want, but even after the fact that Turbine is letting you play their game for free? Guess what, get off the easy button horse and work to get your classes for FREE.

Or, you could be a lazy ass and cry because you can't get everything for free up front. (Cursing is justified here as this post is pretty much useless as the OP, being brand new to the game and not having a ****ing clue as to what he's talking about, is crying about spending money he doesn't have to spend).

So, its a rip-off because they'll let you play for free, or is it a rip-off because you have the OPTION to buy those toons you want instead of working for them?

In conclusion, I'd just like to say, quit crying on the forums and get your lazy ass to work grinding TP and you won't have to spend you precious hard earned $20, I'm sure you have much better things to spend it on anyhow, we just won't discuss it here as I'm sure its a EULA violation.

Have a nice day.

/signed, OP pay, grid, or get off the pot ... simple as that.