What happened to keeping it real for newbies?

[XxLegitSaixX]

Man Khyber, I miss those veterans.

It's been around 3 - 4 days since I found a diehard veteran willing to follow orders and do objectives as directed.

Every group I join either has a new player who we obviously try to help as much as possible and they follow us around as we say, but the disheartening part is, some veteran comrades decided it would be fun to always zerg ahead and not care about the rest of the group and get their ass handed to them.

Your not a 'effing level 20 anymore, your a Level 6 and you should get that into your head before charging a bunch of CR:10 mobs.

The new players are fine, I love helping them out as much as I can but I truly wish that veterans would show more respect and be a good role model for the future DDO players. It almost seems as if a veteran with twinked out gear runs into a party, the new player follows them around because of the shiny gear and when the veteran messes up the new player does too and this follows on onto his future runs.

It's almost like a big brother to little brother ratio, if the big one does drugs and alcohol then slowly the little one would get the same influence.

All i'm saying is that, veterans need to step up their game and start accepting the fact that this game became free and their will be so many MMO jumpers who join and it's up to YOU veterans to actually show them the do's and don'ts.

Oh and I hate how veterans thing it's funny to mislead a new player, over the advice chat, a new player would ask for an information on crafting or some dungeon, and the veterans thing it would be funny to give a wrong answer and watch them screw up hours of their hard spent time. It's not right.

Well, just wanted to get this out there, derep, do whatever makes you feel "Pro", but just know that there are thousands of people joining and gaining interest in DDO monthly and it's going to be way more populated then you'd ever imagine, so either a community like WoW whose veterans are all stuck up morons or a community where everyone is fair and un-biased, your the answer to DDO's community future, so it's up to you...


- Sai

[Mithran]

The need for better adherence to team play may be real, but it also may be overstated. I count myself among those frustrated by having to wait interminably long times for new players to:

1. Find the quest.
2. Run back to the quest-giver for the reward from the last time they'd run the quest.
3. Request a Share.

I also have some frustration with those new players who find it necessary to lecture a bunch of veterans in an Elite VoD raid about the need for the MT to keep aggro.

[XxLegitSaixX]

The need for better adherence to team play may be real, but it also may be overstated. I count myself among those frustrated by having to wait interminably long times for new players to:

1. Find the quest.
2. Run back to the quest-giver for the reward from the last time they'd run the quest.
3. Request a Share.

I also have some frustration with those new players who find it necessary to lecture a bunch of veterans in an Elite VoD raid about the need for the MT to keep aggro.

Well they are new, meaning they have absolutely no idea where everything else is. That's what im trying to get at, we need a new implementation to help them in these fields, it's frustrating I know, but the happiness you see in a new player is worth all the time in the world.

To be quite honest, I played through the Korthos island quest line and it was a nice intro I guess but it bored me to death, not sure about your opinions but I just skip it all the time. And it's even worse when a new player skips it and expects to be taught everything he missed, but hey, we have to bear with it, every new person helped is sort of like a new step towards making DDO #1.

[JustWinBaby]

It's been around 3 - 4 days since I found a diehard veteran willing to follow orders and do objectives as directed.

Every group I join either has a new player who we obviously try to help as much as possible and they follow us around as we say, but the disheartening part is, some veteran comrades decided it would be fun to always zerg ahead and not care about the rest of the group and get their ass handed to them.

The new players are fine, I love helping them out as much as I can but I truly wish that veterans would show more respect and be a good role model for the future DDO players. It almost seems as if a veteran with twinked out gear runs into a party, the new player follows them around because of the shiny gear and when the veteran messes up the new player does too and this follows on onto his future runs.

All i'm saying is that, veterans need to step up their game and start accepting the fact that this game became free and their will be so many MMO jumpers who join and it's up to YOU veterans to actually show them the do's and don'ts.

Oh and I hate how veterans thing it's funny to mislead a new player, over the advice chat, a new player would ask for an information on crafting or some dungeon, and the veterans thing it would be funny to give a wrong answer and watch them screw up hours of their hard spent time. It's not right.

Of course almost any group you join will have a newbie or 2, atleast. I just ran Xorian Cipher on Elite, we 5 manned it, and 3 were first timers. And we only had 2 deaths total.

Sounds to me that the newbs are either not saying that they need help, not accepting the help, or just not simply trying to keep up.

If you tell the party to hold up you are lost or something like that and they ignore you, I can understand the frustration. But in my 6 months of playing DDO, I've never seen that.

It's not the Vets needing to show respect, it's the Newbs. Turbine likes it's paying customers better than the one's who are asking for handouts

DO NOT ever listen to anything in the advice channel. You have no idea who it was giving the person incorrect information. You can't simply label him as a vet just because he's giving advice (incorrect as it may be.)

[FreyarS]

... What happened to not just giving everything away, eh? I remember a good while ago, I decided to answer a question regarding the skeletal mage on Korthos with a bit of a riddle, something to stay within the spirit of exploration. Sadly, other morons decided it's better just to give a giant road map with neon signs. Blagh.

Also, slow down for your rogues, mkay? We can't exactly keep up when we're busy unlocking doors, finding hidden traps and **** so your pockets are nice and full.

Either way, the game's design seems to push pretty hard these days. There's no major incentive (at least at the lower end) to train players to be patient and think things through. A cleric with a reflex save of +3 and 50 spell points should not go through a gauntlet of traps when someone with a +11 reflex save and personal potions can get through.

[Aussieee]

Oh and I hate how veterans thing it's funny to mislead a new player, over the advice chat, a new player would ask for an information on crafting or some dungeon, and the veterans thing it would be funny to give a wrong answer and watch them screw up hours of their hard spent time. It's not right.

You know most of the times people giving wrong advice is new people that don't know any better. And they are misleading you because they think they are right. There might be some people that do it on purpose, but most of the times I bet they aren't ...

[sirdanile]

Man Khyber, I miss those veterans.

It's been around 3 - 4 days since I found a diehard veteran willing to follow orders and do objectives as directed.

You havn't seen a "veteran" that won't obey your god-like will?

Every group I join either has a new player who we obviously try to help as much as possible and they follow us around as we say, but the disheartening part is, some veteran comrades decided it would be fun to always zerg ahead and not care about the rest of the group and get their ass handed to them.

What makes you think they're veterans if they get their ass handed to them?

Your not a 'effing level 20 anymore, your a Level 6 and you should get that into your head before charging a bunch of CR:10 mobs.

It's much easier to survive at level 6, grab a robe or docent of invulnerability and you're pretty much god til level 10

The new players are fine, I love helping them out as much as I can but I truly wish that veterans would show more respect and be a good role model for the future DDO players. It almost seems as if a veteran with twinked out gear runs into a party, the new player follows them around because of the shiny gear and when the veteran messes up the new player does too and this follows on onto his future runs.

Everyone makes mistakes even veterans, but honestly this is a case of "Do what I say not what I do." Side note, weren't you complaining a paragraph ago about "veterans" not obeying commands?

All i'm saying is that, veterans need to step up their game and start accepting the fact that this game became free and their will be so many MMO jumpers who join and it's up to YOU veterans to actually show them the do's and don'ts.

Yes, vets like me should and often do help out new players.

Oh and I hate how veterans thing it's funny to mislead a new player, over the advice chat, a new player would ask for an information on crafting or some dungeon, and the veterans thing it would be funny to give a wrong answer and watch them screw up hours of their hard spent time. It's not right.

Show me a vet that does **** like that and i'll add another name to my DNG/Squelch list.

Well, just wanted to get this out there, derep, do whatever makes you feel "Pro", but just know that there are thousands of people joining and gaining interest in DDO monthly and it's going to be way more populated then you'd ever imagine, so either a community like WoW whose veterans are all stuck up morons or a community where everyone is fair and un-biased, your the answer to DDO's community future, so it's up to you...

Great ending here, complain about neg rep and later in the thread insisting you don't care but do, comparing ddo to wow, insulting all the vets out there...wow if anything this last paragraph is worth neg rep.

I think you're running into a case of assuming everyone who does anything moronic is a veteran. We all know what assuming does, it makes an ass out of you and me.

[Mithran]

I think you're running into a case of assuming everyone who does anything moronic is a veteran. We all know what assuming does, it makes an ass out of you and me.

+1 Rep for you, sir. It sounds to me, too, as though someone's complaining about the new players who are posing as experts/veterans.

[lord_of_rage]

Man Khyber, I miss those veterans.

It's been around 3 - 4 days since I found a diehard veteran willing to follow orders and do objectives as directed.

Every group I join either has a new player who we obviously try to help as much as possible and they follow us around as we say, but the disheartening part is, some veteran comrades decided it would be fun to always zerg ahead and not care about the rest of the group and get their ass handed to them.

Your not a 'effing level 20 anymore, your a Level 6 and you should get that into your head before charging a bunch of CR:10 mobs.

The new players are fine, I love helping them out as much as I can but I truly wish that veterans would show more respect and be a good role model for the future DDO players. It almost seems as if a veteran with twinked out gear runs into a party, the new player follows them around because of the shiny gear and when the veteran messes up the new player does too and this follows on onto his future runs.

It's almost like a big brother to little brother ratio, if the big one does drugs and alcohol then slowly the little one would get the same influence.

All i'm saying is that, veterans need to step up their game and start accepting the fact that this game became free and their will be so many MMO jumpers who join and it's up to YOU veterans to actually show them the do's and don'ts.

Oh and I hate how veterans thing it's funny to mislead a new player, over the advice chat, a new player would ask for an information on crafting or some dungeon, and the veterans thing it would be funny to give a wrong answer and watch them screw up hours of their hard spent time. It's not right.

Well, just wanted to get this out there, derep, do whatever makes you feel "Pro", but just know that there are thousands of people joining and gaining interest in DDO monthly and it's going to be way more populated then you'd ever imagine, so either a community like WoW whose veterans are all stuck up morons or a community where everyone is fair and un-biased, your the answer to DDO's community future, so it's up to you...


- Sai

OP almost every post I have seen from you tends to be the same. Its you whining and complaining about something. To come in and assume this is all done solely by vets is moronic. When I consider someone a vet Its someone who started playind before sep09 when the game went F2P. Not someone who quickly blasted a toon to cap and TR'ed. Most people who post in the advice channel are new players giving bad info. They want to think they know it all. They act alot like I have seen in your own posts.

From all Ive read you need to step up your game a bit. This sounds so much like the Pot calling the Kettle a darker shade of black. Most "die hard veterans" wont follow someone who doesnt know what they are doing.Or if they are rude. Me I try to make suggestions on how to run the quest better. I do what I can. If the party leader is still doing it a worse way then Ill gladly pick up stones and finish the quest.

Just remember judge not lest ye be judged.

[Guildmaster_Kadish]

I think you're running into a case of assuming everyone who does anything moronic is a veteran. We all know what assuming does, it makes an ass out of you and me.

+1. Most strong, experienced, "veteran" players aren't running pug groups at level 6 anyhow (yes, there are definitely exceptions, but the strong veteran players tend to solo or group together, generally speaking), and they certainly aren't getting their butts handed to them at said level.

I guess the biggest problem tends to be the confusion over the term "veteran." In my book, it means a strong player with a lot of experience at endgame--someone who not only knows what they can do (which is considerable), but what they can't (and plays accordingly). However, some people define "veteran" as anyone with a level 20 character, or anyone who is a TRed character, or anyone who has been around for a long time, or anyone who says they're a veteran (for the more gullible around). This leads to all sorts of drama when said "veterans" give wrong advice, or play stupidly, or do any number of other reprehensible things.

Anyhow, I think that's probably the root of all the "veteran" drama that's gone around since the start of the F2P model.

Just my 2cp.

[basketaske]

I wont pretend to be anything but new, but I just have a few questions for the OP. When you say veterans, do you really mean reincarnates? There's quite a difference. Also, aren't you yourself a little new to be making all these comments? Have you truly experienced enough to generalize as much as you do?