Solar Phoenix, updated for Mod 5.

[EatSmart]

But longswords will keep you centered? Maybe I need to read more carefully. It says the build will remain in sun stance most of the time but it uses longswords.

that's because the whirling steel strike feat allows you to treat longswords as ki weapons.

[Celestialbeast]

But longswords will keep you centered? Maybe I need to read more carefully. It says the build will remain in sun stance most of the time but it uses longswords.

Whirling Steel Strike Allows monks to be centered with Longswords. It's a really nice feat for this build.

[DrNuegebauer]

But longswords will keep you centered? Maybe I need to read more carefully. It says the build will remain in sun stance most of the time but it uses longswords.

OR

Is the build supposed to use Kamas?

If you take the feats WF: slash and Whirling Steel Strike, then it allows you to use longswords and stay in stance.

The only reason to do this is if you intend to make a 'healing stick' longsword.

[DrNuegebauer]

- Second, how to get the most out of it as I leveled him up? At what point will I get more out of longsword then handwarps?

You probably won't ever get more damage out of longswords from a damage point of view.

[Kourier]

FIGHTER at lvl 1 instead of ROGUE?

I'm newish and looking to TR into a self sufficient build.
I like this build.

I have green steel khopeshes and would like to use them here.

Could I take fighter at level 1 and take
Luck of heroes
TWF
Khopesh

My PC is getting fixed so I can't use character builder


Is that possible?

First, you get a bonus feat whenever you take your 1st fighter level. It doesn't have to be first character level. Second, it's not a good idea because rogue or even monk gets more skill points.

[Nick_RC]

Hey there,

Recently I have been running with a few of these WSS Heal Amp builds in epics and I thought I'd come to the source.

What are you doing in epics? The muppets ive seen have been using Longswords on held trash. They are doing craptastic dps. Do you switch to picks etc or stay with the longswords? This build cant stun either so it doesnt even have that going for it.

Please for the love of all that is holy add something in the OP about adjusting for epics - because as it stands I am leary about accepting these splits into group if they are pugs.

Cheers,

N

[Tobril]

Hey there,

Recently I have been running with a few of these WSS Heal Amp builds in epics and I thought I'd come to the source.

What are you doing in epics? The muppets ive seen have been using Longswords on held trash. They are doing craptastic dps. Do you switch to picks etc or stay with the longswords? This build cant stun either so it doesnt even have that going for it.

Please for the love of all that is holy add something in the OP about adjusting for epics - because as it stands I am leary about accepting these splits into group if they are pugs.

Cheers,

N

Nick,

Solar hasn't posted in awhile, so I'd like to butt in as I have a build with similar elements to this one. (15/3/2, link in my sig)

These guys shouldn't be using longswords on held monsters. They should be using picks or life-stealing sticks. (dreamspitter, staff of the shadow) They will be completely dependant upon others for auto-crit like other low-strength builds.

The people you see using longswords in epics are getting hung up on a rather addictive mechanism and don't realize that they are being completely ineffective. Same goes for raid fights and not using khopesh. (the hell with proficiency, -4 shouldn't be an issue)


The WSS build is more about exploring the non-epic game with a nigh-unkillable character, IMO. While this exploration is rather slow due to the lackluster DPS of longswords, it is pretty fun nonetheless.


Of note, when it's time to do epics I take my monk or wizard.

[sirgog]

Hey there,

Recently I have been running with a few of these WSS Heal Amp builds in epics and I thought I'd come to the source.

What are you doing in epics? The muppets ive seen have been using Longswords on held trash. They are doing craptastic dps. Do you switch to picks etc or stay with the longswords? This build cant stun either so it doesnt even have that going for it.


N

Distract all the mobs that aren't held, and lay into them with either Trap the Soul or Earthgrab weapons. It's a contribution, even if it isn't a chance to shine.

Then, when up against the boss, you can solo them while the rest of the party pick their nose.

[slimkj]

Of note, when it's time to do epics I take my monk or wizard.

This. I keep the HA build for other aspects of DDO.

I use wraps on my HA build but if I really had to take him into an Epic as everyone else was TRed or on timer, it'd be a whip out the Dreamspitter or some picks and leave the self-healing alone. It's never going to keep up with incoming dmg in Epics anyway.

Seems like the players you come across aren't adjusting their style or the char they bring for the content they're facing.

[Nick_RC]

Cool thanks you guys. I imagine it must be frustrating to skip the main purpose of a build but its a disservice to everyone for keeping with the longsword play. At least i know what others are doing now with these sorts of things. +1 to yall.

N

[Valindria]

Hey there,

Recently I have been running with a few of these WSS Heal Amp builds in epics and I thought I'd come to the source.

What are you doing in epics? The muppets ive seen have been using Longswords on held trash. They are doing craptastic dps. Do you switch to picks etc or stay with the longswords? This build cant stun either so it doesnt even have that going for it.

Please for the love of all that is holy add something in the OP about adjusting for epics - because as it stands I am leary about accepting these splits into group if they are pugs.

Cheers,

N

My 15/3/(willbe 2) has a icy/shock burst handwraps of stun 10 for if the group is running stunners. Also I want to get either shadowstaff or deamspitter if the group has an arcane for holding. That would help with held mobs and I would still be able to spam monk goodies.

[PopeJual]

Cool thanks you guys. I imagine it must be frustrating to skip the main purpose of a build but its a disservice to everyone for keeping with the longsword play. At least i know what others are doing now with these sorts of things. +1 to yall.

N

I figure that the healing amp and the constant incoming healing in the Solar Phoenix is like having an amazing DR or a really good Wall of Fire. Most of the time, it's spectacular, but there are some times when it just doesn't matter.

A caster specced for a spectacular Wall of Fire is impressive in a lot of quests and can still be really useful in something where all the enemies are fireproof - but not if Wall of Fire is all that he's willing to cast.

[Duke-H-]

Hey there,

Recently I have been running with a few of these WSS Heal Amp builds in epics and I thought I'd come to the source.

What are you doing in epics? The muppets ive seen have been using Longswords on held trash. They are doing craptastic dps. Do you switch to picks etc or stay with the longswords? This build cant stun either so it doesnt even have that going for it.

Please for the love of all that is holy add something in the OP about adjusting for epics - because as it stands I am leary about accepting these splits into group if they are pugs.

Cheers,

N

I have a version of the 15/3/2, haven't gone into epics yet with him as i'm not comfortable with it before equipping him some more (his only job atm is running claw for tokens).
However, when i do get him into other epics with a group, i plan to use the following.

Dreamspitter
or
thundering pick of maiming / seeker 10 pick of maiming
or
Some bursting stunning 10 wraps (but i doubt i'll get the DC high enough)

There really is no point in staying centered for the healing curse alone in full group epics, dumping the longswords for picks is a no-brainer.
If you are the only 'monk', using the Dreamspitter has the advantage of letting you spam aligning the heavens for the casters.

Ofcourse this is not tested in practice, but it should work decently at the least.

[Diyon]

Hey there,

Recently I have been running with a few of these WSS Heal Amp builds in epics and I thought I'd come to the source.

What are you doing in epics? The muppets ive seen have been using Longswords on held trash. They are doing craptastic dps. Do you switch to picks etc or stay with the longswords? This build cant stun either so it doesnt even have that going for it.

Please for the love of all that is holy add something in the OP about adjusting for epics - because as it stands I am leary about accepting these splits into group if they are pugs.

Cheers,

N

I run epics on my Phoenix all the time, however any held/stunned mobs I generally pull out Dreamspitter on. Otherwise I can generally go toe to toe with a lot of epic stuff against only one or two monsters with no outside healing. With outside healing or kiting I can keep a lot of stuff occupied and off the group. Between self healing and a cleric with an aura close enough, the build is difficult to kill. I run litII/dreamspitter in epic, the build serves as moderate dps, with little resource consumption (hardly ever needs a healer's attention as long as you are with the group or not having aggro on a ton of stuff, since an aura or any group heal will pretty much completely take care of any damage taken), as resilient kiter or evasion type (I can hit a 40+ reflex save).

The build works really well when stuff starts to fall apart. I've completely held bases in epic von6 on my own, either standing and making my saves or kiting the trash in a circle, self healing anything that gets through, for extended periods of time. I've also made the run to revive bases that have wiped without getting killed myself.

[galei]

Recently hit lvl 16 on my solar phoniex and am wondering how long it takes you guys to get the specific runes needed for this set? Since ive been at it for a few days now and have not even seen a healing amp rune be pulled.

[Diyon]

Recently hit lvl 16 on my solar phoniex and am wondering how long it takes you guys to get the specific runes needed for this set? Since ive been at it for a few days now and have not even seen a healing amp rune be pulled.

Eldritch rune is easy to get. If you don't pull it. Turn in 50 draconic runs in a few times for your choice of one and you'll get it. The tempest one is not incredibly hard to pull, just takes some luck or a bit of effort. If you're constantly crunching eldritches into tempest runes, and smashing up sovereign runes it shouldn't take too long.

[galei]

ok thank you divon is their any known method for farming runes?

[Valindria]

ok thank you divon is their any known method for farming runes?

I started my HA armor before the runes were named. I ended up with a stupid amount of tempest runes none of them being 20% HA.

1 method is run Prey on the Hunter until your eyes bleed. Combine any 3 Tempest runes you don't want into s Sov Rune. If you don't want the sov rune, break it down to an eldritch. If you end up with 3 eldritch runes you don't want combine to a tempest. This method will eventually get you what you need. Also you can run in full groups and tell everyone what you are looking for. I offerd 100k + my rune to the group for the 20% HA rune. The rogue that got it traded me without the plat. It just depends on the group.

[Black-thorne]

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Starting Ability Scores: 36 Point Buy
16 Strength
15 Dexterity (With a +2 tome, this meets the requirement to take Greater Two-Weapon Fighting)
14 Constitution
12 Wisdom
10 Intelligence (With a tome, this will allow for the use of Silver Flame favor healing potions without self-incapacitation from ability score damage.)
14 Charisma (With a +2 tome, this will allow for Paladin Divine Might II)

ok my question is how do you get 36 points to build this initially? i can get the 32 pt character option but am i missing something here?

[slimkj]

The first time you TR, you get a 34pt build. The second time you TR, you get a 36pt build. So the answer is to start with 36pt you need to have lived two lives already on that character.