Solar Phoenix, updated for Mod 5.

[Alintalkin]

@Asymetric_War

I am sorry but I am more willing to believe that the first post on the third page of the original build thread http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=238298&page=3 which Solar said confirmed her numbers, that included screen shots, are more accurate then a person saying they tested it with cure moderate wands. Sorry you will have to get more solid evidence.

Edit: You could still be right, for all we know you found a new bug that happened during U5 but I would prefer a screenshot that shows the actual proof of such.

[underworldx1x]

Could one of the experts modify this to get the new cleric prestige. This would give additional self healing from the aura. It would get pretty high form the healing amp. Im thinking maybe 10 pal/6cle/3monk and 1 more in im not sure what else.

[Quijonsith]

A better test would be Lay on Hands since you can calculate what it will heal for each time.

I can confirm on my my 2/6/12 fighter/pali/monk intimitank that HotD's healing amp stacks. I have compared the math of the healing amp I have with the results of my lay on hands.

In wind stance I currently have:
10% HotD
10% GS Kama
20% GS Kama
30% Human
30% Monk
1.1*1.1*1.2*1.3*1.3=245%

6 levels of Pali and 22 cha gives me a LoH on non healing amp fleshies of 96hp. It hits me for 235hp. 2.45*96=235hp.

[sigtrent]

One problem with this build is that HotD healing amp DOES NOT stack with the other healing amp enhancements.

I just tested with Divine Soverignty which is a consistent 1000pt heal

I have Human 3, Monk 1, 10 dragon touch, 20 TOD ring, 30 greensteel and 20 HOTD 2
(I didn't have my bracers on)

I got 2971

Doing the standard calcs I should get 2944 (pretty close)

My calcs say without HOTD stacking I should get 2453

So far as I can see, it stacks.

[kaobang]

what do you think of swapping 12 paly to 12 ranger ?

loss:
-20% healing amp hotd (401% -> 325%)
- cha saves
- LOH
- disease / fear immunities
- lvl drain immunity and ghost attack
- 24 hp (1d10 to d8)

gain:
manyshot
3 fav enemy (+6 dmg, +3 enh)
100/100 2wf instead of 100/80 with paly
+1 att (tempest II)

paly dmg add:
3 divine favor
4 divine might II
----------
7
+ smite
+ 5d6 divine sacrifice II

ranger dmg add:
3 ram
6 favored enemy
3 enh favored enemy
-----
12

does the loss in heal/survivability is balance by the +20% on off hand ?

[SzassTamn]

Does anyone know if empower healing affects healing ki or curse of healing? I have my doubts but that could be very powerful on this build.

[SolarDawning]

Does anyone know if empower healing affects healing ki or curse of healing? I have my doubts but that could be very powerful on this build.

Metamagics do not affect Healing Ki, and nothing save for healing amplification affects Curse of Healing.

[Darkrok]

I just have to say that this build standing beside a clonk radiant servant would be a really, really sick group now.

[Rhev]

I have some screenshots of a similar build, but don't use the forums enough to know how to post them. If someone could explain how I'll post some of the results. The build I use was designed by a friend prior to this post, but is a similar build. I hit 425% healing amp atm. I get 4 or 8 back from healing curse, 8 from jerky, and when I use them 4 per hit off of Dream Edge. Also, the monk healing finisher heals me usually over 200 closer to the 250 mark. I'm only 19, but it can give an example of what a healing amp build can do. I do use the long swords like said before it's a godsend to the build. I don't have screenies of what ppl have healed me for but my record is a crit heal for 6500 and average heal is 2200 I believe.

[Patsaan]

I have some screenshots of a similar build, but don't use the forums enough to know how to post them. If someone could explain how I'll post some of the results. The build I use was designed by a friend prior to this post, but is a similar build. I hit 425% healing amp atm. I get 4 or 8 back from healing curse, 8 from jerky, and when I use them 4 per hit off of Dream Edge. Also, the monk healing finisher heals me usually over 200 closer to the 250 mark. I'm only 19, but it can give an example of what a healing amp build can do. I do use the long swords like said before it's a godsend to the build. I don't have screenies of what ppl have healed me for but my record is a crit heal for 6500 and average heal is 2200 I believe.

now this build and those screenshots would be interesting to see.

[Rhev]

Lets see if I linked these right.

This is the healing curse.
http://img203.imageshack.us/f/screenshot00016m.jpg/

Monk healing chain finisher
http://img404.imageshack.us/f/screenshot00015o.jpg/

The healing curse numbers still rolling by after combat
http://img821.imageshack.us/f/screenshot00009.jpg/

Another of the healing chain finisher
http://img52.imageshack.us/f/screenshot00008l.jpg/

I'll try get other screenies of some other aspects. Also I'll learn how to link properly since I'm sure I did this wrong.

[wolff]

So is this build not worth going for since the Sintao changes didn't hit live (afaik)?

What does going PrE currently get you on live, am I just missing the big heal yourself spell made cheaper?

[Diyon]

So is this build not worth going for since the Sintao changes didn't hit live (afaik)?

What does going PrE currently get you on live, am I just missing the big heal yourself spell made cheaper?

This build is still fine without the Pfe effect working in the light chain, as the smite (if you choose to use it) can still make it quicker occasionally. The build can also be pretty easily modified to remove Shintao from it. Also, the devs said its supposed to be working in the light chain so it will be fixed at some point.

[sirgog]

I just have to say that this build standing beside a clonk radiant servant would be a really, really sick group now.

I think they could duo Shroud easily with minimal or no resources (except possibly for troubles in part 5 when the Lieutenants first spawn, the Gnoll could wipe them if they fail critical saves). The Clonk would need to be an AC clonk, however.

[Dragon-Kin]

I can confirm on my my 2/6/12 fighter/pali/monk intimitank that HotD's healing amp stacks. I have compared the math of the healing amp I have with the results of my lay on hands.

In wind stance I currently have:
10% HotD
10% GS Kama
20% GS Kama
30% Human
30% Monk
1.1*1.1*1.2*1.3*1.3=245%

6 levels of Pali and 22 cha gives me a LoH on non healing amp fleshies of 96hp. It hits me for 235hp. 2.45*96=235hp.

Thanks for the check - Heal Amp On!!!!

[Mister_Peace]

At guild level 22, the house jorasco healer gives 10% heal amp that stacks. Buff lasts for 1 hour.

Edit:
human 30
monk 10
hotd 20
fire change 25
divine glory 10

My phoenix's heal amp is at 2.3595 (with above) and LOH with a base of 110, which should heal her for 2.59545
Ingame it heals for 261.

[Darksolar]

What do you think of this build as a Solar build to complement this build and be strong in it's own right, It has weaker melee as I decided to drop Divine Might in favor of using them for healing burst.
I would love to get a group of people playing solar builds or even a human only guild taking advantage of healing enhancements and equipment even if they don't heal themselves.
If anyone has any interest on starting a group or alt guild on kyber send me a message.
oh and please give feedback on this version.

To Solar Dawning I think you should start a thread on the build forums with the Solar builds that have been made as you seem to be the one who really spurned this idea to a larger following and creativity from us other builders who love the idea of self healing melee capable builds.

So far I am playing a ranger 12/7monk/1 rogue build and it's a lot of fun to play and I have started the cleric version for something to play when i need a little change.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(2 Fighter \ 3 Monk \ 15 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 296
Spell Points: 925 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 11
Will: 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    24
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               14                    20
Charisma             12                    14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    16
Bluff                 1                     2
Concentration         6                    26
Diplomacy             1                     2
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                1                     2
Heal                  2                     7
Hide                  2                     3
Intimidate            1                     2
Jump                  5                    13
Listen                2                     5
Move Silently         2                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  2                     5
Swim                  2                     7
Tumble                3                     4
Use Magic Device      3                    13

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Level 5 (Cleric)
Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Level 7 (Cleric)
Level 8 (Cleric)
Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 10 (Cleric)
Level 11 (Cleric)
Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Level 13 (Cleric)
Level 14 (Cleric)
Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 16 (Cleric)
Level 17 (Cleric)
Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Level 19 (Cleric)
Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I

[Xleniki]

How important is concentration to the build? I know we're constantly using ki, but we're also constantly in fire stance, which means we're generating ki pretty fast as it is. (I'm just trying to map out skills/enhancements.)

[Darksolar]

How important is concentration to the build? I know we're constantly using ki, but we're also constantly in fire stance, which means we're generating ki pretty fast as it is. (I'm just trying to map out skills/enhancements.)

you want at least 30 concentration total mod...
5 water strike 10 light 5 water strike 10 aligning the heavens (30) to use this chain so when you walk into a quest or rest you can buff 25% cheaper and your friends can buff 25% cheaper trust me they will thank you.

so figure out how to get to 30 with items ranks and con mod
if you did this build con mod is 6 so 24 if you use the shinto set its 15 so need 9 ranks but id say 10-15 is where you should be.

[Jamma]

So has anyone actually used this build with the Shintao monk Pre? My understanding was that the Protection from Evil ki strike was not working as a Light move, and therefore you wouldn't actually be able to spam healing ki any faster than before.

I would like confirmation on this before I waste a feat slot on a feat utterly useless for this build (Stunning Fist).