Solar Phoenix, updated for Mod 5.

[Kam-Ekaze]

ok my question is how do you get 36 points to build this initially? i can get the 32 pt character option but am i missing something here?

If you have access to a +2 wis tome (or a +2 supreme tome would be better) then drop 4 points from wisdom to a starting wis of 8 (+6 item -2 stance +2 tome = 14 which is the minimum required to cast zeal... then again if you're stopping at paladin level 12, then you only need 13 wis)

Otherwise you can drop 2 from wis and 2 from int.

[Dopey_Power]

Why not just exit sun stance, buff up, then re-enter sun stance?

[manumase]

would half elf be a viable race for this? i can see it working alot

[Dopey_Power]

I thought half elf would be the way to go as well. 2 human healing enhancements, 2 monk healing enhancements, and you only have to dip monk to the 3rd level to get curse of healing. What I hadn't planned on, however, was the fact that Monk Dilettante requires 13 base wisdom *Upon Creation* I have no capped characters, much less TRx2. I'm working with 32 build points, and I simply do not have the stats to make that work. If you can hack it, great! All the power to you. It can be...difficult, though.

[slimkj]

If you really wanted with 32 points you could get by on 14/15/14/8/14/14. It's a -1 penalty to hit and dmg but given you kind of make a choice by going with a build like this that you won't be max dps, that might not be too much of an issue. On other builds I might be worried about the to-hit in Epic but I wouldn't take my HA variant in Epic anyway so... (not that he has 14 STR, just saying )

[Valindria]

So the last chance I got to play I was in a pug doing Prey. A monk in the group was talking about this build. I mentioned that I have a similar one that is fun but the dps is pretty bad. I was trying to be honest with them because I really enjoy my HA Paladin but I know the DPS is a lot less than others.

Anyway he said Solar P has "Disgusting DPS" and to "Just ask <name removed>" (where name removed was another pugger in the group who I do not know).

I asked for a screen shot of "Disgusting DPS" because honestly I don't think they can back that up and I would LOVE to be proven wrong. Please don't get me wrong, I am in no way bashing this build or other healing amp builds but I do not feel DPS is the strong point of them.

Fun - Yes
Solo Friendly - Yes
Disgusting DPS - No way.

[ArtosKincaid]

It's not meant to do awesome DPS, it's meant to be totally self-sustainable. In an epic situation, you should be pulling out heavy picks or a level drain stick and beating on trash, and doing what you can on bosses.

The point of the build is to be 100% self-sufficient while making healers think the game glitched out when you actually run with a group.

[sirgog]

I'm experimenting with a variant of this build that ditches Hunter of the Dead 2 (which I feel isn't worth 12 class levels) and takes Kensai 2 instead. You lose one sixth of your Healing Amp, unfortunately, but IMO what you gain will often be better.

Fighter levels grant a lot more feats, allowing crazy amounts of Toughness feats, and a focus on strength ensures decent stuns.

I posted my build here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=297288 . It won't be the solo powerhouse the Phoenix is, but IMO it has a little more to offer endgame groups.

[SolarDawning]

I'm experimenting with a variant of this build that ditches Hunter of the Dead 2 (which I feel isn't worth 12 class levels) and takes Kensai 2 instead. You lose one sixth of your Healing Amp, unfortunately, but IMO what you gain will often be better.

Fighter levels grant a lot more feats, allowing crazy amounts of Toughness feats, and a focus on strength ensures decent stuns.

I posted my build here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=297288 . It won't be the solo powerhouse the Phoenix is, but IMO it has a little more to offer endgame groups.

+rep

Neat build, I like it. Pretty similar to the fighter past life I've been working on and off with on my main. (up to level 16 now, ending at 12 fighter/8 monk before I reincarnate again) Good idea going for a usable stunning fist together with moderate healing amp.
I'm a solo nut myself, so I love finding effective ways to utilize healing amplification.

I'm looking into making a stunning and healing amp focused half elf in a future character.

[Staffman]

Does anyone know if a GS regen item will be affected by the healing amp? I am curious how many points per whatever you could get from making a regen item.

Sorry if this was posted somewhere else.

[Adrian99]

Does anyone know if a GS regen item will be affected by the healing amp? I am curious how many points per whatever you could get from making a regen item.

Sorry if this was posted somewhere else.

I have read a few forum posts of people saying that healing amp does affect regen items, in their experience. I assume they weren't lying, but I haven't tested it myself.

[Ravoc-DDO]

Yes it affects regeneration. It even affects town regeneration.

[Valindria]

Does anyone know if a GS regen item will be affected by the healing amp? I am curious how many points per whatever you could get from making a regen item.

Sorry if this was posted somewhere else.

They do. I have Greater Regen on my GS for my HA Paladin and it does 8 hitpoints ever 15 seconds.

Bard's Virtuoso song is awesome with crazy healing amp.

[Payne66]

Hello, i was just curious if this build could be doable with halflings( i find them more interesting than humans), i know it looses healing amp, but is the % of healing amp lost really that significant for it not to work? Thank you

[slimkj]

It depends really on what level, gear and other enhancements etc. you have. It could be the deciding factor as to whether you get 1 or 2 HP per hit back at one point in time for example, but at another point in time not matter to that HP per hit boundary where the % of HA pushes it into the next bracket.

It will always affect the healing finisher though. In my opinion it's all or nothing to make these effective as to the purpose of the build. Otherwise you might just end up making a low dps pally/monk splash with negligible dps and ineffective self heals.

[Skyrender]

Forgive me if this exact variant is already here somewhere, but there's 16 freakin' PAGES of stuff already!

Male Half-Elf, 32 point Veteran

Strength 14
Dexterity 14
Constitution 14
Intelligence 12
Wisdom 12
Charisma 14

+1 Tome Applied to Wisdom at level 4 (to get Zen Archery at 6th)
+2 Tomes applied to all stats at level 7

L1 - R1 - Toughness, Half-Elf Dilettante (Ranger)
L2 - P1
L3 - M1 - Weapon Focus (Slashing), Whirling Steel Strike
L4 - M2 - DEX +1, Two-Weapon Fighting
L5 - P2
L6 - P3 - Zen Archery
L7 - P4
L8 - M3 - STR +1, Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
L9 - M4 - Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
L10 - P5
L11 - P6
L12 - P7 - STR +1, Improved Critical (Slashing)
L13 - P8
L14 - M5
L15 - M6 - Power Attack, Greater Two-Weapon Fighting
L16 - P9 - STR +1
L17 - M7
L18 - P10 - Improved Critical (Ranged)
L19 - P11
L20 - P12 - STR +1

You don't get Shintao Monk I this way, but instead, you can use bows as Monk weapons (I hate having Shuriken as my only ranged option!), and even add some of your Strength bonus to the damage. This bonus damage starts at 2 points, and increases if you get the improved dilettante enhancements.

To that end, drop Human Greater Adaptability (Strength) to save 4 action points (plus the 2 from Shintao Monk I), and use them to take Improved Dilettante III.

Replace Human Adaptability (Dexterity) with Half-Elf Ranger Dexterity I (same number of points).

You WILL drop from 34 Strength (+12 bonus) to 30 (+10 bonus), as compared to the 36-point human build on the first page (not surprising, given that it started out with 4 extra build points, assigned as 2 points of Strength). You'll lose 2 points of attack bonus, 2 main-hand damage, and 1 off-hand damage. In return, you get +2 Intelligence, thereby providing +23 skill points (and thus, making up for the skill point difference between humans and half-elves).

I think replacing a shuriken with a Green Steel Lightning II Longbow (with +8 damage and Improved Critical) is worth it.

Besides, if you're ready to go TR 2, you can still put the extra 4 points in Strength! ;D

[Diyon]

Forgive me if this exact variant is already here somewhere, but there's 16 freakin' PAGES of stuff already!

Male Half-Elf, 32 point Veteran

Strength 14
Dexterity 14
Constitution 14
Intelligence 12
Wisdom 12
Charisma 14

+1 Tome Applied to Wisdom at level 4 (to get Zen Archery at 6th)
+2 Tomes applied to all stats at level 7

L1 - R1 - Toughness, Half-Elf Dilettante (Ranger)
L2 - P1
L3 - M1 - Weapon Focus (Slashing), Whirling Steel Strike
L4 - M2 - DEX +1, Two-Weapon Fighting
L5 - P2
L6 - P3 - Zen Archery
L7 - P4
L8 - M3 - STR +1, Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
L9 - M4 - Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
L10 - P5
L11 - P6
L12 - P7 - STR +1, Improved Critical (Slashing)
L13 - P8
L14 - M5
L15 - M6 - Power Attack, Greater Two-Weapon Fighting
L16 - P9 - STR +1
L17 - M7
L18 - P10 - Improved Critical (Ranged)
L19 - P11
L20 - P12 - STR +1

You don't get Shintao Monk I this way, but instead, you can use bows as Monk weapons (I hate having Shuriken as my only ranged option!), and even add some of your Strength bonus to the damage. This bonus damage starts at 2 points, and increases if you get the improved dilettante enhancements.

To that end, drop Human Greater Adaptability (Strength) to save 4 action points (plus the 2 from Shintao Monk I), and use them to take Improved Dilettante III.

Replace Human Adaptability (Dexterity) with Half-Elf Ranger Dexterity I (same number of points).

You WILL drop from 34 Strength (+12 bonus) to 30 (+10 bonus), as compared to the 36-point human build on the first page (not surprising, given that it started out with 4 extra build points, assigned as 2 points of Strength). You'll lose 2 points of attack bonus, 2 main-hand damage, and 1 off-hand damage. In return, you get +2 Intelligence, thereby providing +23 skill points (and thus, making up for the skill point difference between humans and half-elves).

I think replacing a shuriken with a Green Steel Lightning II Longbow (with +8 damage and Improved Critical) is worth it.

Besides, if you're ready to go TR 2, you can still put the extra 4 points in Strength! ;D

The ranged aspect of this just strikes me as a bad idea. You don't really need to do effective ranged damage most of the time and your ranged is still going to be sub par. If you really want better ranged make a Lit II shuriken, and switch to wind stance and use 1000 stars when ranging for an increased attack speed (ie more chances for lightning strike). Your improved critical (slashing) should as apply to the shuriken unless I'm mistaken (and if not, no big deal really). Also, for whatever reason, Power Attack works on thrown weapons. This saves you two feats and only costs the build a few AP and some GS ingredients.

[Skyrender]

Improved Critical (Slashing) only applies to melee weapons, and sometimes handwraps with the Bleeding property (odd bug due to the bleeding feature causing slashing damage). For shuriken, you need Improved Critical (Throwing)... and the only weapon monks can use in that group IS the shuriken!

By the way, I'm not trying to turn this guy into the next AA/Kensai, I'm just trying to get a little extra oomph into my attacks when I can't run up and bash something...

And for the record: Zen Archery allows you to use the same monk-specific bonuses on bows that you'd get with the shuriken, including all that 10,000 Stars and Wind Stance crunchy goodness. Just keep in mind when you take advantage of that: wthout the Jid-Tet'ka's +25% healing and the +30% healing boost from your off-hand greensteel longsword (unless your bow has it, too), you'd drop to 228% of normal healing.

[kruggh_ddo]

And for the record: Zen Archery allows you to use the same monk-specific bonuses on bows that you'd get with the shuriken, including all that 10,000 Stars and Wind Stance crunchy goodness.

Not sure if i understand correctly :
do you mean that with zen archery feat, you can use the 10000 stars while wearing a bow and it increases the speed of firing arrows ? That would be something new, always thought 10000 stars was only increasing shuriken throwing speed

[Skyrender]

It's supposed to. Or at least, that's what they said somewhere here on the forums. You can google it or whatever.