For the love of all that is Holy

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I've PUGed for four years now and I cannot remember the last time I saw a Rgr kiting outside the Harbor.

And it's been a very long time since I saw one kiting in the Harbor.

So I really do not understand why you people keep talking about this.


Mages on the otherhand......ya know?...those wanna be nukers?! Now those guys are the kiters that I see.

And those BladeBarrier-makes-me-a-BattleCleric guys are starting to get on my nerves too.

Anyway, I think it is really time to lay off the Rgr hate.

[Beld]

More ranged kiting hate, and running my 3 alts thru the mid levels, have seen them in the majority of PUGs.

Agreed on the spellcasters kiting as well.....kiting in general in a group environment makes for a frustrating experience for everyone else.

[LordPiglet]

I do. In fact, got my first tap shred two days ago. Although rate "one tap shred per 4 or 5 deaths" will be a slow going

You mean disease immunity belt of different fortifications?

Thank you! Sounds pretty straightforward.

There should be tap farm groups up, checking the caravan, rats and 1 or 2 other rares. You can also just buy them off the auction house.

Yes, I did mean belt. I actually used a disease immunity belt of heavy fort (ml 13) for a while, I didn't get my Minos until 18.

[LordPiglet]

More ranged kiting hate, and running my 3 alts thru the mid levels, have seen them in the majority of PUGs.

Agreed on the spellcasters kiting as well.....kiting in general in a group environment makes for a frustrating experience for everyone else.

A good spell caster kiting through a firewall can be different. They run in a predictable pattern because they have a return point (firewall) that you can just stand in. A running kiting bow user may just keep zigzagging, they don't have a determined point that they're going to hit.

Besides, to be honest, that firewall is generally going to take care of the trash mobs faster then that bow user.

[JollySwagMan]

You can get the adamantine ore from Relic of a Sovereign Past by running the quest solo on casual at level 9. Thus you don't have to worry about people taking ore if you were planning to split evenly.

This quest is full of Duergar (evil dwarves), earth/fire elementals, and if you are completing the quest several metal dogs and blackguards (tough melees who may have vorpals).

You don't have to complete the quest. Enter, sneak/fight your way across the right side of the central area till you get to the doorway opened by levers, then progress along that hallway by clearing one room at a time while you look for the chest containing a key.

With the key, head back to the central room, head back the way you came till you get to the locked door. This is the passageway that has adamantine ore lying around, a mini-boss fight and the smith at the end. Go ahead and kill everything. If you have evasion, I quite like pulling dwarves to the explosive barrels. There should be at least 13 ore along the way to the room at the end. You need 10 to make the Heavy Fort necklace, so you can skip one of the side rooms if you need to conserve resources. In the end room you can pull a couple of the enemies individually back to the tunnel if you don't have crowd-control. Clear the end room (don't worry about the 2 enemies at the top of platforms, they don't bother you unless you go up to them). Talk to the smith, ask him to forge an accessory for you, select the Nightforge Gorget. Once you have the necklace, go ahead and recall.

[Beld]

I jump kite my firewalls on my arcanes, but this means the mobs stay in the firewall and can be hit by the melee toons without moving.

Only pull out a BB on my cleric if the situation has taken a difinative turn for the worse or am soloing, other than that, comet fall or greater command are a much better use of SP IMO for most questing objectives.

Moral of the story, as has been said before, don't aggro something you can't kill in a reasonable fashion (without backing up for several minutes) by yourself and if you have aggro on a quest specific mob and you see the group chasing your aggro, STOP KITING and let the group take care of it so you/they can move on.

[Gol]

I've PUGed for four years now and I cannot remember the last time I saw a Rgr kiting outside the Harbor.

All I can say is that must be nice. It's a regular/routine problem on Argonnessen, especially in Gianthold and Amrath.

[ProdigalGuru]

What I find interesting is that the OP insists that the Ranger pull out his melee weapon, but he himself refuses to consider pulling out a bow of his own. I doubt the OP even CARRIES a ranged weapon.

If he were to pull a ranged weapon, he might realize he does not have to chase at all.

[Film]

Stop chasing the kiter and tell them to bring it back to you. Set up a melee wall and have them run through. The monsters check in, but...

Never chase a kite if you are not holding the string. Just a long attempt of grabbing at air.

[brian14]

I've PUGed for four years now and I cannot remember the last time I saw a Rgr kiting outside the Harbor.

Yesterday I kited earth elementals in Taming the Flames on elite.

But that's because I knew I could kill an elemental with a dozen or so arrows, and wanted to draw them away from the rest of the party. They most certainly did not hate me for that!

[Beld]

What I find interesting is that the OP insists that the Ranger pull out his melee weapon, but he himself refuses to consider pulling out a bow of his own. I doubt the OP even CARRIES a ranged weapon.

If he were to pull a ranged weapon, he might realize he does not have to chase at all.

So you carry ranged weapons on all your toons that break DR on everything/most everything in the game ??

I have ranged weapons on ALL my toons, but unless it's trash, I don't carry DR beating ranged weapons on all of them, I carry melee DR beaters as do most everyone else.

I have an Arcane Archer, can aggro whatever I want and when close, pull out my melee weapons and kill it, self heal, self buff, etc. BUT, aggroing a named mob that is mobile and then running it around a room or up a hallway because you can't kill it while out of melee range is inconsiderate to everyone else. If you stop and pull out a weapon, EVERYONE else can help you without the inconvenience.

So the solution is for 5 or 11 other members to pull out a substandard weapon instead of 1 member pulling out a higher DPS weapon (manyshot excluded) so the job gets done....

[Phidius]

What I find interesting is that the OP insists that the Ranger pull out his melee weapon, but he himself refuses to consider pulling out a bow of his own. I doubt the OP even CARRIES a ranged weapon.

If he were to pull a ranged weapon, he might realize he does not have to chase at all.

I just wish all my toons got Bow Strength/Rapid Shot/Manyshot for free like Rangers get TWF/ITWF/GTWF for free.

Of course, my tempest toons do indeed get those, so I don't mind people who kite - especially when I've also got Wall of Fire/Bladebarrier

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Playing any class of char, as if you are soloing the quest, and kiting often while other party members have to either chase uselessly, or stand around doing nothing but watching you kill something... is bad manners IMO.

if you want to solo, don't do it with an audiance.

However, using a ranged weapon and getting agro, and continuing to use that ranged weapon for a reasonable amount of time, is not bad manners, and should be tolerated.

Just like tolerating reasonable spell kiting as well.

if you are the kiter in question, you need to be aware of what your party is doing. When you see melee guys runing after the mob you are kiting, you should take action to allow them to engage. (I'll let you slide till your manyshot timer is up.....sometimes)

Simply stop moving and shield block till that big barbarian gets agro is usually fine.
Some high damging mobs can be forgiven....but you need to take action to let the other people in the party engage. Even if you have only 1Hp left and a rednamed uber boss is chasing you, you need to stop running away from the party.

Like anything else it is situational. As kiting is a valid tactic. But the general rule is be party friendly.

Which also means tolerating to a degree other people's actions.

I think you people who hate ranging guys so much should really invest in Intimidate.

But a group is not the place to show off your ability to solo a dungeon. Even if you play a melee guy btw.

[Film]

Wait until you hear a ding and then go get the boss to finish. Leaving the kiter just far enough away from the shrine and the end chest.

Yes, this way takes longer. But you get the satisfaction of explaining what happens when you anger the group for your own individual wishes.

Film

[brian14]

You can get the adamantine ore from Relic of a Sovereign Past by running the quest solo on casual at level 9. Thus you don't have to worry about people taking ore if you were planning to split evenly.

A little confused about Relic of a Sovereign Past. It is in House Kundarak, but quest-giver is in House Deneith?

[Beld]

A little confused about Relic of a Sovereign Past. It is in House Kundarak, but quest-giver is in House Deneith?

Yes, quest giver is in the Temple of the Sovereign Host in House D

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Yesterday I kited earth elementals in Taming the Flames on elite.

But that's because I knew I could kill an elemental with a dozen or so arrows, and wanted to draw them away from the rest of the party. They most certainly did not hate me for that!

That would be good kiting. Probably. Have to see it to be sure, but yes. Kiting to keep people alive in a big fight is a legitimate use. Just be aware enough to know when you can safely stop kiting and let the whole party have fun too.
Take action to let them peal off things to kill them. And don't overuse this tactic to the point of being annoying. (caster might want make a note of this as well)

All I can say is that must be nice. It's a regular/routine problem on Argonnessen, especially in Gianthold and Amrath.

I probably should have said that I haven't seen bad bow kiting outside the harbor. Not to the point of being a problem anyway. The rangers I have seen have had enough of a clue to adjust their tactics when they realise that people are trying to engage. Although there have been a couple Shroud prt2s lately that my monk felt like the guys doing the kiting sure were taking a long time to get the clue....bows and spells there btw.
They do get agro, and they do kite....some. But not to the point that I think anyone should really complain IMO.

And there are people who initially seem to be soloing. Who do kite at first with no real reason IMO. But they usually realise what they are doing and adjust to the party...at least enough to be tolerated.

[grodon9999]

What I find interesting is that the OP insists that the Ranger pull out his melee weapon, but he himself refuses to consider pulling out a bow of his own. I doubt the OP even CARRIES a ranged weapon.

If he were to pull a ranged weapon, he might realize he does not have to chase at all.

All rangers are archers.

All rangers are TWFers.

To not take advantage of both these things is lunacy. I personally feel a tempest with a good quiver and stat-damaging bows is the best combo right now, AA still need more love from the devs.

[LordPiglet]

All rangers are archers.

All rangers are TWFers.

To not take advantage of both these things is lunacy. I personally feel a tempest with a good quiver and stat-damaging bows is the best combo right now, AA still need more love from the devs.

Correct, however the heaviest kiters that I've seen, never pull out melee weapons. Yes, I can switch to my holy of pure good longbow, and do when necessary. I know of at least 2 AA's who don't carry any melee weapons.

[Lord_Legolas]

Correct, however the heaviest kiters that I've seen, never pull out melee weapons. Yes, I can switch to my holy of pure good longbow, and do when necessary. I know of at least 2 AA's who don't carry any melee weapons.

Exactly! More and more of them around... Not to mention that quite a few times in pugs I've seen them aggro anything they can shoot at... Then I end up... YET Again trying to explain Aggro Management...

My tempest would love Flaming Burst added to his Holy Burst/Icy Burst longbow of PG ;p