THF Range: Greataxe = Maul > Quaterstaff > Falchion = Greatclub, race doesn't matter

[Backley]

I always had the impression that QS had the largest damage radius. Will take a second look at Flchn.

But Falchion has the smallest damage radius of those I tested.

Will be testing more tonight BTW.

[Backley]

using the docent of defiance would probably be best to test with, absurdly slow

Forgot about that, but LimbChopper would be perfect. It slows yoour town down considerably and might make the swing distances more precise

Have a caster exhaust you

I also just thought that I can fill my inventory with heavy stuff and get to Heavy Encumbrance which slows you down.

I wonder if all/some of these stack?

[MithrilSoul]

+1 rep for the great work

And +1 request for the greatsword info.

[Trillea]

Almost everything that slows you down stacks, but I am not sure what all is available in PvP (which is what I am assuming you are using for testing)

Abilities/spells/whatever that can slow you:

Limbchopper
Slow spell
Waves of Exhaustion
Solid Fog
Sleet Storm (not available in PvP tho)
encumbrance - STR damage will help here
Crippling (weapon proc)

Probably more but that's all I can think of

[Backley]

First post updated with:
moving stats (all THW but Quarterstaff are longest range)
Greatsword (same as Falchion/Greatclub)
one-handed weapons (same as Greatsword/Falchion/Greatclub standing, Quarterstaff moving)
unarmed (short range)
Monk unarmed (long range standing, short range moving)

Still need dual-wielding standing stats (shorter than single-wielding).

Moving stats were done by having one character stand with her back against the wall, move backwards and attack. Checked that this matches moving side-to-side and attacking, assume moving forward is the same range.

[Backley]

Latest raw data, if needed:
Item at
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox0.00 oy101.95 oz-119.95 h180.0

R moving in/out (oy)

greatsword
1-4 hit
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-0.00 oy99.40 oz-119.95


1-4 miss
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-0.00 oy99.39 oz-119.95

greatclub, falchion, greatsword, maul, greataxe running:
1-2 hit
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-0.00 oy96.51 oz-119.95

1-2 miss
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-0.00 oy96.50 oz-119.95

quarterstaff, heavy mace, heavy pick, light mace, battleaxe, handaxe, kama, bastardsword, dagger running:
1-2 hit
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox0.00 oy96.90 oz-119.95

(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-1.28 oy96.92 oz-119.95
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-1.22 oy96.91 oz-119.95
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-1.27 oy96.91 oz-119.95
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-1.47 oy97.20 oz-119.95

1-2 miss
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox0.00 oy96.89 oz-119.95
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox0.00 oy96.90 oz-119.95
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-1.47 oy96.91 oz-119.95

70 attacks per minute


unarmed running:
hit:
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox0.00 oy98.20 oz-119.95

miss:
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox0.00 oy98.07 oz-119.95 vs (Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-0.06 oy101.95 oz-119.95 h180.0

unarmed pushes me to the right when running backward into the wall at 90 degress to the wall, where doing the same with a weapon did not shift me to the side at all.

off hand running:
hit (every-other swing, on animation 2):
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox0.00 oy97.51 oz-119.94

miss:
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox0.00 oy97.50 oz-119.94


daggar, light mace, BS single weapon standing
1-4 hit:
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2051 cInside ox0.00 oy99.41 oz-119.95

3 hit; 1,2,4 miss:
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox0.00 oy99.38 oz-119.94
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2051 cInside ox0.00 oy98.91 oz-119.95

1-4 miss:
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2051 cInside ox0.00 oy98.90 oz-119.95

[Backley]

unarmed stats

Artilleriae at x.01 y89.28 z-119.94

standing uncentered hit
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-0.00 oy91.29 oz-119.95 h180.0

standing uncentered miss 1-2 (3/kick hits)
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-0.00 oy91.36 oz-119.95 h180.0
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-0.00 oy91.68 oz-119.95 h180.0

standing uncentered miss 1-3
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-0.00 oy91.93 oz-119.95 h180.0

standing centered hit
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-0.00 oy92.22 oz-119.95 h180.0

standing centered miss
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-0.00 oy92.41 oz-119.95 h180.0

moving centered hit
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-0.00 oy91.57 oz-119.95 h180.0

moving centered miss
(Standard): You are at: r1 lx240 ly32 i2049 cInside ox-0.00 oy92.03 oz-119.95 h180.0

[Backley]

Note that when moving, any single-handed weapon is 92% of the range of the longest-range 2-handers. Probably not super important to get a special bossbeater for Demon Queen. And my Falchion while moving is as long-range as any.

[Ereshkigal]

Unarmed centered Monk (thanks to Artilleriae for testing): Longest range standing attack (109-115% of Greataxe)
All animations hit out to 2.94-3.12 (didn't range it in exactly)

Maybe my monk has stubby arms or something, but it certainly seems to have a shorter reach than a greataxe... completely non-scientific, but that's how it feels.

[Alabore]

+1.
Extremely useful.

...

As an aside: that explains why I always misjudge attack distance on my WF.

[Backley]

Maybe my monk has stubby arms or something, but it certainly seems to have a shorter reach than a greataxe... completely non-scientific, but that's how it feels.

Note that this is standing range. If your monk moves at all, he has the shortest range of them all.

[Feal]

does the weapon type influence the range of the cleaves?

[Silverleafeon]

Really nice Data, thanks for posting it.

+1

Ditto
Thank you.

[Annyee]

Good job. GAxe rocks.

[Failedlegend]

Imo the Greatclub isn't very "Great"...I mean apparently they have the shortest range and most great clubs are really small (approx baseball bat sized)...the only one that is adequate imo is the Mizzen-Mast (pics below for comparison)


http://ddowiki.com/images/thumb/Shin...tion_shown.jpg

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/o...pswleyg8f4.jpg

[SealedInSong]

+100

[Xahtep]

Imo the Greatclub isn't very "Great"...I mean apparently they have the shortest range and most great clubs are really small (approx baseball bat sized)...the only one that is adequate imo is the Mizzen-Mast (pics below for comparison)


http://ddowiki.com/images/thumb/Shin...tion_shown.jpg

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/o...pswleyg8f4.jpg

Keep in mind that the toon holding the shiny devastation is a human while the other is a pdk, wich has the same issue as H-Orc or making items look ridiculously big. Maybe if you compare them on a same race would be more fair.

[Fedora1]

Interesting test subject.

Coincidentally, I have a vanguard that has both an Axe of Famine and a Mountain's Fist and it really seems that the Mountain's Fist has a better reach. Seems like I make 2-3 swings at breakables before hitting them with the Axe of Famine because I thought I was close enough to hit them but wasn't. Had to take another step and then smash it.

Totally non-scientific though, just something I noticed.

[Failedlegend]

Keep in mind that the toon holding the shiny devastation is a human while the other is a pdk, wich has the same issue as H-Orc or making items look ridiculously big. Maybe if you compare them on a same race would be more fair.

I tried several greatclubs on my pdk and they are much smaller than the mizzen mast which is what I think all greatclubs should be size wise

[Buddha5440]

VERY in-depth and informative.

Well done to you!!!

+1 ad infinitum(if I could)