How I got "Blacklisted"

[Gunga]

It wasn't your group to decide how the raid was conducted.

It was your job to stay until the raid was over.

You didn't stay, and probably didn't announce that you were leaving and leaving early by a good margin.

The problem is that you didn't communicate why you were leaving.

If you were forming a raid and wanted to finish with little hassle, you wouldn't pick you for your raid either.

[Valindria]

It wasn't your group to decide how the raid was conducted.

It was your job to stay until the raid was over.

You didn't stay, and probably didn't announce that you were leaving and leaving early by a good margin.

The problem is that you didn't communicate why you were leaving.

If you were forming a raid and wanted to finish with little hassle, you wouldn't pick you for your raid either.

I did communicate I was leaving. I said "I can not trust this group to let me DDoor before you finish" and put up a ddoor and left. In every Successful Shroud I have done, the group waits at the alter until everyone is ready. I now have tips from the vets on how to handle in the future. Not all of us have been here since 2006. There are still a lot of things that are new to me. I will admit I didn't handle it properly, but at the time I couldn't think of any way to do it.

All I am saying here is, I messed up, give me a chanace, and group up with me and decide if I am worth the sqelch.

[Gunga]

I did communicate I was leaving. I said "I can not trust this group to let me DDoor before you finish" and put up a ddoor and left. In every Successful Shroud I have done, the group waits at the alter until everyone is ready. I now have tips from the vets on how to handle in the future. Not all of us have been here since 2006. There are still a lot of things that are new to me. I will admit I didn't handle it properly, but at the time I couldn't think of any way to do it.

All I am saying here is, I messed up, give me a chanace, and group up with me and decide if I am worth the sqelch.

Everybody makes mistakes. Not everyone admits it.

Next time, DDoor when Arraetrikos is at 15%.

Since you apologized, I'm sure people will let you back into their raids.

[Varr]

General assumtions:

By shroud time one knows how to play the game and thier character (let's say level 16.)

Bard can do many things......in shroud runs they pay for thier spot by song dps and occational spot healing. Everything else is gravy like dps....

Every level 16+ bard can dimention door and teleport at will

With 25000 people on every server and 200 elite and 600 more raid capabile players per server (my personal numbers, you may disagree) there is little reason for a tight nit group or guild to allow second mistakes. Unless the to be blacklisted is a frequent group/raid leader or well entrenched in the community, why not cut your losses when you see susspect play.

If I could have advised you, and you were uncomfortable with the pace of play and the ability to get out, at a minimum party song buffs at the beginning and again as the end fight begins should have been done. Reacall after singing and no one cares or gives you grief. If the other 11 can't kill him in the 7 min duration of your song, they won't have made it to part 5 anyway.

I don't use squelch, but it makes sense for many and your sinario would justify it also to many IMO.

[Kazon]

All this drama over the same PuG Shroud run last night? Was this the one requesting link to beaters in a /tell to "qualify" for an invite?

Just wondering: How did it go, afterall?

[Valindria]

All this drama over the same PuG Shroud run last night? Was this the one requesting link to beaters in a /tell to "qualify" for an invite?

Just wondering: How did it go, afterall?

Yes. I had grouped with him a few times before with out issue.

They completed and were able to recall.

[der_kluge]

Seems like I grouped with you recently, Valindria. Don't know if it was the Shroud raid last night or not, though.

Harry got free and stormed all over the place. A few of us were lagging real bad, and it ended up not being pretty. I think I did like 5 times by Harry. In the end, we bailed.

[dj.kickz]

Really? Then how come people jumped into part 4 without waiting for the songs?

we never wait for buffs before jumping into parts 2 3 or 4. part 2 and 4 have opportunities to buff while the melee are clearing trash and part 3 requires no buffs. hell we dont even shrine before part 3.

[Valindria]

Seems like I grouped with you recently, Valindria. Don't know if it was the Shroud raid last night or not, though.

Harry got free and stormed all over the place. A few of us were lagging real bad, and it ended up not being pretty. I think I did like 5 times by Harry. In the end, we bailed.

Yeah that was a different run. The lag was interesting to say the least. Someone would get ressed and before I could toss a heal they were dead again. We just couldn't recover and had to throw in the towel. It happens.

we never wait for buffs before jumping into parts 2 3 or 4. part 2 and 4 have opportunities to buff while the melee are clearing trash and part 3 requires no buffs. hell we dont even shrine before part 3.

Fair enough. Until last night I had never been in a group that played that way. Everyone rests/loots, gets buffs, then all go through portal. I guess lots of people do it that way, but last night it seemed like a warning sign to me.

[Alkindus]

I was one of the people you bailed on last night. Honestly, I don't blame anyone at all for not wanting to run with you now. When you run with a capable group that knows the raid, they won't take time for every person to get 100% prepared before moving on on the earlier parts. Waiting around for a few people probablly accounts for 50% of the time it takes to run the shroud. What you mistook for carelessness was in all actuality precision. Would people have waited for you to recall out of quest before finishing the quest? You bet. After we killed harry that is exactly what we did.

You mentioned not wanting to let your guild down by the small chance of someone hitting the altar. Well, did you consider the fact that we ran without a caster so in addition to your songs we might have not had haste, which is very crippling for a group. If our group wasn't exceptional then we probablly would not have made it without someone to haste.

You could have easily asked bigrock if you could recall at 10%, or even if there would be a recall option( which one was stated in the lfm) and the person who hit the altar would be the one blacklisted, not you. I see nothing accidental about not taking the initiative to ask the leader for clarification, but instead making a ddoor then leaving.

[Valindria]

I was one of the people you bailed on last night. Honestly, I don't blame anyone at all for not wanting to run with you now.

Just curious, Would you run with me? Knowing that I admit I was wrong and it won't happen again?

[Gunga]

With 25000 people on every server and 200 elite and 600 more raid capabile players per server (my personal numbers, you may disagree) there is little reason for a tight nit group or guild to allow second mistakes. Unless the to be blacklisted is a frequent group/raid leader or well entrenched in the community, why not cut your losses when you see susspect play.

Severely shortsighted.

What happens when 150 of those elite players hit the wall and leave the game?

They get replaced by the 600 raid capable.

And you and your squelch happy mouse just got yourself declined by tomorrow's elite prolific raider when all of your buddies split during the next dry spell.

omglrnsmthng

[Alkindus]

Just curious, Would you run with me? Knowing that I admit I was wrong and it won't happen again?

More than likely no; however, the decision would ultimately be influenced by how badly I needed the raid.

[xaadas]

umm i was in that raid with my cleric, and all i have to say is we still beat the harry with out your help... it was great we had no arcane to cast haste with the bard leaving it made it that much longer... all i know is your goin to find it hard to get a group with any1 good for awile unless they your guildys or good friends... there were some ppl in that group who were not to happy.. and ima leave it at that...

[Valindria]

umm i was in that raid with my cleric, and all i have to say is we still beat the harry with out your help... it was great we had no arcane to cast haste with the bard leaving it made it that much longer... all i know is your goin to find it hard to get a group with any1 good for awile unless they your guildys or good friends... there were some ppl in that group who were not to happy.. and ima leave it at that...

Would you run with me? Knowing that I admit I was wrong and it won't happen again?

[Varr]

Severely shortsighted.

What happens when 150 of those elite players hit the wall and leave the game?

They get replaced by the 600 raid capable.

And you and your squelch happy mouse just got yourself declined by tomorrow's elite prolific raider when all of your buddies split during the next dry spell.

omglrnsmthng

Not sure most look at it this way, thinking for down the road and all...........and with Cannith being a new server I would guess it will be quite a while before 150 of the 200 elite players moved on. I was suggesting that the 200 elite and 600 cabable are the people to form raids with, culling the others (not limit yourself to the 200 elites.) Additionally, if your in a healthy hosting guild, you could squelch a full 25% of the applicantes and likely never feel the impact to your raiding filing those last 4 spots every raid.

I do understand your point, I've seen Fallen Heros on Khyber come and go and come again...........Infamous Flaming Vagabonds on Thelanis which looked like a guild that might single handedly keep the game going eventually fall apart.......which is why I dont have a squech list.

Hell, I dont know hwo anyone knows anyone on Cannith from the forums........look at all the posts, there are very few where the poster actually has there alts listed.........

[xaadas]

yea i would still play with you, buy im not goin to go out of my way to invite you or recomend you atm... it was a bad choice to up and leave... btw i was the cleric still getn sp back in the well.. it didnt bother me, i knew they had the other healer's, and they were more than capible of doin there JOB. that been said you were doin great as a bard and your not a bad player as far as i know. It was just a really bad choice.

[xaadas]

yea i would still play with you, buy im not goin to go out of my way to invite you or recomend you atm... it was a bad choice to up and leave... btw i was the cleric still getn sp back in the well.. it didnt bother me, i knew they had the other healer's, and they were more than capible of doin there JOB. that been said you were doin great as a bard and your not a bad player as far as i know. It was just a really bad choice.

jimmyjim lvl20 cleric, dingbatt lvl12 barb, yergu lvl12 monk, vorndrin lvl8wiz lvl2rouge

[PopeJual]

Really? Then how come people jumped into part 4 without waiting for the songs?

Argo ran out of drama, so I had to come here for my fix.

Just wanted to mention that I generally see people jump into part 4, expecting Haste and songs on the other side so that people can jump over, get their act together and then get those short term buffs.

The better Shroud pugs that I end up in do Fire/Poison/FoM on the skeletal vendor side of the gate and then bard songs, Rage and Haste on the Harry side. Once those are cast and a caster throws down a disco ball (because someone ALWAYS throws a disco ball even when they're asked not to), somene runs ahead and pulls the orthons.

Also, I've actually never been in a Shroud where people waited for everyone to finish looting before starting part 3 and it's rare that I'll see people wait to start part 2. Some people know that their AC/HP/self healing can stand up to what parts 2 and 3 have to offer and they don't need 11 babysitters to get started. I find it mildly annoying when people start part 3 early because a slow puzzle after a very early start can bring the wall in part 3, but I've only seen the wall one time in the last 20-ish shroud runs, so I don't think it's that big of a tragedy.

The sure sign of a griefer to me is when someone starts attacking that last leiutennant in part 5 before the healers have gotten their spell points back. The rest is generally just people who have done the Shroud more times than they can count who don't want to stand around waiting for someone who decided to pick their nose before grabbing their loot.

[DiAGO77]

Man.., Just another day on cannith, why are there so many people acting like this ?
Well at least you apologized . Whats your characters name ?