How I got "Blacklisted"

[Valindria]

Edit: I mistook a speed run for a careless group. I had never been in a group like that before and though they would finish preventing me from helping the guild complete the next day. I have apologized for not handling the situation in a better way and have learned new tips on what to do in the future. Edited this because it's over as far as I am concerned. I messed up, said I was sorry, and promised not to do it again. Thanks,

Valindria

[Visty]

you can still dd out when harry is at 5% in part5
no need to deny some help for the first 95%

[Drekisen]

Agreed...even when Harry is at about 10%...his HP's go down slow......simply find a safe spot which is not hard to do and recall out.

Personally I just complete whenever I do a run unless we wipe....I don't know, recalling out to me just feels like cheating.

Course if a 1-3 or 4 farm is up and it's the only thing going on I will join

[Krag]

Blacklisting the offender was the right thing to do.
Leaving after part 4 should not be tolerated unless LFM stated farming 1-4 in advance.

[Irinis]

If you can't trust a group to allow you to leave before completion when you've already stated that you have a guild run the next day... maybe it's quite alright to be blacklisted by them. There have been incidents of griefing by people hitting the altar too soon, and people who start part 4 without healers or songs at all might just go ahead and hit the altar when it's done. With the lag these days even leaving at 5% might be a problem, Harry might be dead already by the time you see him at 5% lol.

[Sirea]

If you can't trust a group to allow you to leave before completion when you've already stated that you have a guild run the next day... maybe it's quite alright to be blacklisted by them. There have been incidents of griefing by people hitting the altar too soon, and people who start part 4 without healers or songs at all might just go ahead and hit the altar when it's done. With the lag these days even leaving at 5% might be a problem, Harry might be dead already by the time you see him at 5% lol.

Griefing, eh?

Beginning of Part 5: "We'll be throwing a Ddoor when Harry is at 5-10% and hitting the altar right away, so leave then if you want to leave" (both spoken and typed in party chat)

*Silence*

Harry at 10%: "Ddoor is down, leave now if you want to leave" (both spoken and in party chat)

*Silence*

Harry at 2-5%: "Last chance to leave, say something because we're hitting the altar when he dies" (both spoken and in party chat)

*Silence*

Harry dies, we hit the altar.

"***H I WANTED TO LEAVE! YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF ELITIST JERK ZERGER GRIEFERS!!1!11!1!" *insert more nerd rage here*

Who's at fault here? Not saying this was the scenario in the OP, but I know I and the people I usually run with on Ghallanda give ample warning when we plan on hitting the altar right away. Sounds like the OP joined a zerg runand didn't know it. There's nothing wrong with going into the next part without buffs, if the people could fend for themselves and the run was going smoothly otherwise, then what's the big deal?

Not to mention if you're any self-respecting bard you have enough UMD for Teleport scrolls and could just port yourself back to Meridia when Part 5 Harry is at 5% to ensure you get out on time.

I would have blacklisted you, too.

[Valindria]

Blacklisting the offender was the right thing to do.
Leaving after part 4 should not be tolerated unless LFM stated farming 1-4 in advance.

Really? So you would chance screwing over your guild with a pug? Just curious? Good to know there is no grey area with you.


And it's not like I do this all the time. First mistake = blacklist? That's bs IMO. I would love to hear from someone actually in the group. I doubt that will happen though.

[Valindria]

you can still dd out when harry is at 5% in part5
no need to deny some help for the first 95%

I didn't think of that. I'll do that next time provided I can get in a group. It won't happen again.


I just don't think my actions were worth people whispering everyone on thier list about me. I know it happened because I got whispers from friends asking why people are saying to sqelch me. It's not like it was my 1st time running with these people, I have run HoX and Shroud probably 4-5 times with the leader.

[Killage]

Wouldn't you rather be squelched by the horrible pugs that don't listen? I know I would so I wouldn't have to hear/party with them again.

[Xezno]

Leaving for in game reason when being the only bard or one or two healers is especially bad. If you where so worried about it you could atleast have stayed and buffed them before the boss fight with songs etc. The bard constitutes such a large portion of the DPS. The only reason you are accepted into a shroud run as a bard is so that you can use songs in part4 and 5.

[Valindria]

Leaving for in game reason when being the only bard or one or two healers is especially bad. If you where so worried about it you could atleast have stayed and buffed them before the boss fight with songs etc. The bard constitutes such a large portion of the DPS. The only reason you are accepted into a shroud run as a bard is so that you can use songs in part4 and 5.

Really? Then how come people jumped into part 4 without waiting for the songs?

[dj.kickz]

Really? Then how come people jumped into part 4 without waiting for the songs?

we never wait for buffs before jumping into parts 2 3 or 4. part 2 and 4 have opportunities to buff while the melee are clearing trash and part 3 requires no buffs. hell we dont even shrine before part 3.

[PopeJual]

Really? Then how come people jumped into part 4 without waiting for the songs?

Argo ran out of drama, so I had to come here for my fix.

Just wanted to mention that I generally see people jump into part 4, expecting Haste and songs on the other side so that people can jump over, get their act together and then get those short term buffs.

The better Shroud pugs that I end up in do Fire/Poison/FoM on the skeletal vendor side of the gate and then bard songs, Rage and Haste on the Harry side. Once those are cast and a caster throws down a disco ball (because someone ALWAYS throws a disco ball even when they're asked not to), somene runs ahead and pulls the orthons.

Also, I've actually never been in a Shroud where people waited for everyone to finish looting before starting part 3 and it's rare that I'll see people wait to start part 2. Some people know that their AC/HP/self healing can stand up to what parts 2 and 3 have to offer and they don't need 11 babysitters to get started. I find it mildly annoying when people start part 3 early because a slow puzzle after a very early start can bring the wall in part 3, but I've only seen the wall one time in the last 20-ish shroud runs, so I don't think it's that big of a tragedy.

The sure sign of a griefer to me is when someone starts attacking that last leiutennant in part 5 before the healers have gotten their spell points back. The rest is generally just people who have done the Shroud more times than they can count who don't want to stand around waiting for someone who decided to pick their nose before grabbing their loot.

[DiAGO77]

Man.., Just another day on cannith, why are there so many people acting like this ?
Well at least you apologized . Whats your characters name ?

[Sharzade]

The OP made a sincere apology, and hasn't been playing DDO very long. I think bygones should be bygones. The OP seems to have figured out later times to get out of the Shroud Part V safely before quest completion, so it was a learning experience. Blacklisting in this case is mean-spirited.

Blacklisting is pretty rare I think; I'd save it for players who actually do know better but still intentionally ruin things for others.

It's important for groups to communicate better with newer players who express concerns, so that this kind of thing doesn't happen.

Sharz

[Impaqt]

Sorry to anyone who was angered by my leaving early from the shroud group.

1. My guild is planning completing tomorrow night.
2. Someone started part 2/3 before everyone was done looting.
3. Someone started part 4 before my bard songs.
4. People went into part 4 while the healers were still in the water getting SP back.

Now ask yourself. Would you want to stay in a group knowing the guild wants you to help out tomorrow night? I didn't trust the group to let me D Door out before clicking the alter so I left. Everything was clicked before the entire party was ready. So that is why I left. Hope you can understand.

If you feel this is an act of never playing with me again, there is nothing I can do about it. I was whispered after I left saying I was blacklisted from everyone in the party and their guild. I hope this is not the case.

You list 2-4 like they are bad things.....

Thats SOP in just about every shroud run I'm on now a days.... Were there any real Problems?

If you had such a terrible time running that shroud with those people and that guild, why are you worried about them blacklisting you?

[Missing_Minds]

If you had such a terrible time running that shroud with those people and that guild, why are you worried about them blacklisting you?

I bet it isn't so much that the Op is concerned, but that the Op is concerned their guild is now blacklisted. Actions of one player after all.

[Gunga]

It wasn't your group to decide how the raid was conducted.

It was your job to stay until the raid was over.

You didn't stay, and probably didn't announce that you were leaving and leaving early by a good margin.

The problem is that you didn't communicate why you were leaving.

If you were forming a raid and wanted to finish with little hassle, you wouldn't pick you for your raid either.

[Valindria]

It wasn't your group to decide how the raid was conducted.

It was your job to stay until the raid was over.

You didn't stay, and probably didn't announce that you were leaving and leaving early by a good margin.

The problem is that you didn't communicate why you were leaving.

If you were forming a raid and wanted to finish with little hassle, you wouldn't pick you for your raid either.

I did communicate I was leaving. I said "I can not trust this group to let me DDoor before you finish" and put up a ddoor and left. In every Successful Shroud I have done, the group waits at the alter until everyone is ready. I now have tips from the vets on how to handle in the future. Not all of us have been here since 2006. There are still a lot of things that are new to me. I will admit I didn't handle it properly, but at the time I couldn't think of any way to do it.

All I am saying here is, I messed up, give me a chanace, and group up with me and decide if I am worth the sqelch.

[Gunga]

I did communicate I was leaving. I said "I can not trust this group to let me DDoor before you finish" and put up a ddoor and left. In every Successful Shroud I have done, the group waits at the alter until everyone is ready. I now have tips from the vets on how to handle in the future. Not all of us have been here since 2006. There are still a lot of things that are new to me. I will admit I didn't handle it properly, but at the time I couldn't think of any way to do it.

All I am saying here is, I messed up, give me a chanace, and group up with me and decide if I am worth the sqelch.

Everybody makes mistakes. Not everyone admits it.

Next time, DDoor when Arraetrikos is at 15%.

Since you apologized, I'm sure people will let you back into their raids.