Top 10 Musicians that SHOULD be in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame

[Arkat]

ELO? They were odd enough, yet wrote some really decent songs back in the day.

Emerson, Lake, and Palmer (I can't remember if that was their previous name, or latter name). I think either way they were ELP.

Yes, both were great bands.

The other version of ELP you're thinking about was Emerson, Lake, and Powell.

Powell was a guy named Cozy Powell. He replaced the original ELP drummer, Carl Palmer. The lineup with Powell only recorded one album.





BTW...LeslieWest, do you know if Steppenwolf is in the R&R HoF or not? If not, they should at least be considered.

[Doomcrew]

A question. What do you folk think is the single
most important criteria to make it in?

Material
Longevity
Musicianship
Influence
others

Just curious

Cheers

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

BTW...LeslieWest, do you know if Steppenwolf is in the R&R HoF or not? If not, they should at least be considered.

Steppenwolf is not in. Born to be Wild and Magic Carpet Ride are pretty good songs. Dont know if they have enough material but their execution was great.

[Eternox_Eve]

Anyone feeling Robin Trower?

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

A question. What do you folk think is the single
most important criteria to make it in?

Material
Longevity
Musicianship
Influence
others

Wow. I don't think there IS one aspect thats most important. I think different artists will possess several of these criteria to various degrees.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

About SRV...
I have a Human Bard with a nice soul-patch and cool long black hair. His name is SRV. I named him this as Homage to my favorite Guitar Player of all time. He is only like level 5...I am not sure I am honoring him by playing an awesome Pure Warchanter...or if its kinda in poor taste.

Where do you guys weigh in?

SRV my Warchanter...should I play him, or not?

Great Thead +1

Hell YES you should play SRV! The best form of flattery is replication. Make no doubt about it, Stevie would be stoked a fan would want to use his initials in a game. Maybe the biggest satisfaction a musician gets is to know his/her music actually MEANS something to someone else.

Thanks for the rep.

[Doomcrew]

Wow. I don't think there IS one aspect thats most important. I think different artists will possess several of these criteria to various degrees.

To me, at the end of the day, it should mostly come from
the material, but other criteria always will weigh in.
I believe Les Paul and Leo Fender are in the HOF, and its
not dor song writing.

Cheers

[Psyker]

A question. What do you folk think is the single
most important criteria to make it in?

Material
Longevity
Musicianship
Influence
others

Just curious

Cheers

Well its hard for me to imagine someone that was very influential without good material and musicianship, as far as longevity goes do you mean how long the band was playing together, or how long their music is listened to even after they don't play anymore.

Anyone know of the Beastie Boys are in? I know a lot of people will cringe at the thought but Pauls Boutique is pure gold and I love how much they have been able to change with each new release.

Edit-I think Nirvana should be in too, not sure about the eligibility rules though.

[Rav'n]

Wow.... I'm not burned to a crisp... .. must be because when you get a bunch of musical types together we can actujally agree to disagree...

Back to TSO and Skolnick and Pitrelli... It's actually a good comparrison as the play the same parts in the concert.

I've only seen Skolnick 2 (Saw Caffery a 3rd time last month on the BLN tour W/ Pitrelli). Both times I saw him...he was sloppy. A lot of missed notes. I've never seen Al miss. (yeah.. unfortunately...I'm one of those guys that memorizes all the music in my head... ). But that's the beauty of Music, we both have our likes and dislikes...

Forgot to mention Rik Emmit from Triumph, Nuno Bettencorf from Extreme and Paul Gilbert from Mr Big. The Guitar player from Tesla is pretty good, but get's over looked by a lot of people. (Not a Tesla fan...but I do enjoy a good Guitar!)

Another Amazing Guitar Player/song Writer is Jon Schafer from Iced Earth. (Got to see them for the first time when Matt came back. FIRST show...in a little place called the Pearl Room just outside of Chicago.)

[lord_of_rage]

Wow.... I'm not burned to a crisp... .. must be because when you get a bunch of musical types together we can actujally agree to disagree...

Back to TSO and Skolnick and Pitrelli... It's actually a good comparrison as the play the same parts in the concert.

I've only seen Skolnick 2 (Saw Caffery a 3rd time last month on the BLN tour W/ Pitrelli). Both times I saw him...he was sloppy. A lot of missed notes. I've never seen Al miss. (yeah.. unfortunately...I'm one of those guys that memorizes all the music in my head... ). But that's the beauty of Music, we both have our likes and dislikes...

Forgot to mention Rik Emmit from Triumph, Nuno Bettencorf from Extreme and Paul Gilbert from Mr Big. The Guitar player from Tesla is pretty good, but get's over looked by a lot of people. (Not a Tesla fan...but I do enjoy a good Guitar!)

Another Amazing Guitar Player/song Writer is Jon Schafer from Iced Earth. (Got to see them for the first time when Matt came back. FIRST show...in a little place called the Pearl Room just outside of Chicago.)

I am a huge Iced Earth fan. I love John but his riffs start to get repetitive at points. I wasnt really impressed with IE's last album. I also honestly prefer Tim over Matt live. Matt tends to blow notes alot and his stage preformance can be iffy. Tim is always precise and even with a migrane he brings eveything he can, Ive seen IE with Tim 4 times and Matt twice. Cafffery is the lesser player out of the 3.

Check out Victor Smolsky from the band Rage. The dude is insane. Checkout Soundchaser, War Of Worlds, Down, and Flesh and Blood.

I love it when I can get people who can sit on my level and discuss tunes.

I have to say the cover of Believe on Nightcastle was a dissappointment to me. The original version off Streets by Savatage was much better imo. I was impressed with Alex's work on the TSO version of Prelude to madness. The addition of the Alex solo at the end of the song was killer. The original version came off the Savatage record Hall of the mountian king. Because well lets face it TSO is Savatage. But Nightcastle was effectively a Savatage record done by TSO. It sounded like a cross between Dead winter dead and The wake of Magellen. Your thoughts?

[lord_of_rage]

Primus...whenever they become eligible...and Ministry.

As much as I love Ministry Im not sure Id put them on the same lvl as say NIN who I firmly believe should be in. Ministry just havent been as innovative or influential. Tool I believe should be. Primus while good I wouldnt say shoudl be there.

[Ogrenaut]

Jim Morrison

[Rav'n]

My FAVORITE Iced Earth Album has to Horror Show. Love Gettysburg as well. The problem with Gettysburg... it was written for Matt to Sing. Matt's voice is deeper than Tim's (Thus Matt blowing the high notes off the Album that was written for Tim... ) Matt has a much bigger Range than Tim... Tim just sings higher.

Agree somewhat on Jon's Riffs. I think a lot of it has to to with thepick ups and his staccato Picking Style. I really enjoy his work on "Demons and Wizards" with the guys from Blind Guardian. (Another incredible Band!)

I like Night Castle....but not as much as their other work. And I completely agree on the "Believe" song... it just seemed flat all the way thru on the TSO version. Over all I think they dod a great job with new Voices... and or finding people that could replicate the original Voices.

When I saw BLN... I saw the schedule... it was really hyped at the thought of seeing the original crew together. I was slightly disappointed at first when I noticed Bethoven would be done by Rod Evans and Jon wasn't touring with them...

Slightly Disappointed...until Rod opened his mouth and started Singing! . He NAILED the part!! Jeff Scott Soto was freaking AMAZING as Mephistpholes!! If you didn't know better, you'd have thought he was lip syncing to a recording.

Oh.. and I would like to personally thank Leslie for creating this thread for YOU and I to discuss Music!!

[Doomcrew]

As to the Rik Emmit call, yeah, top notch player with al the fundamentals.
Musicianship, talk to the brothers Young, no one will ever compare Angus to
Steve Vai, yet Angus has done something thats eluded Steve forever. A good
song. Black in Black dropped in '80 I think, Steve Vai has never written a song
that average folk know, 30 years later. In the end, longevity means being
relevant for the years that you exist. Sure "My Sharona" caught a lot of ears.
But what did they do between now and then?

My opinions, no where near fact, but....


Cheers

[Rav'n]

Not dissin' the brothers young... LOVE Back in Black... but please show me 3 songs from AC/DC that are different ?

[lord_of_rage]

My FAVORITE Iced Earth Album has to Horror Show. Love Gettysburg as well. The problem with Gettysburg... it was written for Matt to Sing. Matt's voice is deeper than Tim's (Thus Matt blowing the high notes off the Album that was written for Tim... ) Matt has a much bigger Range than Tim... Tim just sings higher.

Agree somewhat on Jon's Riffs. I think a lot of it has to to with thepick ups and his staccato Picking Style. I really enjoy his work on "Demons and Wizards" with the guys from Blind Guardian. (Another incredible Band!)

I like Night Castle....but not as much as their other work. And I completely agree on the "Believe" song... it just seemed flat all the way thru on the TSO version. Over all I think they dod a great job with new Voices... and or finding people that could replicate the original Voices.

When I saw BLN... I saw the schedule... it was really hyped at the thought of seeing the original crew together. I was slightly disappointed at first when I noticed Bethoven would be done by Rod Evans and Jon wasn't touring with them...

Slightly Disappointed...until Rod opened his mouth and started Singing! . He NAILED the part!! Jeff Scott Soto was freaking AMAZING as Mephistpholes!! If you didn't know better, you'd have thought he was lip syncing to a recording.

Oh.. and I would like to personally thank Leslie for creating this thread for YOU and I to discuss Music!!

I think Tim has a bigger range. Tim sings Matts songs really well. I actually prefer Tims version of Dracula to Matt's. Tim imo sings Gettysburg much better. His bigger range is on display as he uses his voice to play several different roles very well. He also sings the Something Wicked Trillogy better. When you listen to Matt attempt Tim songs he doesnt fill them out aswell. The Glorious Burden album sounds better with Tim. Remember Jon fired Matt and rerecored the album with Tim because he wasnt happy with Matts preformance. I do love Matt but and his version or Angels Halocaust is amazing, but Tim brought the voice to Iced Earth that Jon had always written for. He fired Tim because he was sick of Tims side projects.

If you want to hear Matt sound his best you should check out the disk he did with Pyramaze. It is a killer disk.

Night Castle is a great disk. The Jeff Scott Soto tune sounded like he was channelling his inner Zak Stevens. What made Believe so amazing to me was Criss Olivia's guitar work and John Olivia's vocals. It lacks both. But again I m a big Savatage fan.

Demons and Wizards both albums are killer. Hansi is an amazing vocallist. If you like alot of this stuff Ill have to figure some other bands you might like.

[Doomcrew]

Not dissin' the brothers young... LOVE Back in Black... but please show me 3 songs from AC/DC that are different ?

A band's style is what they do, Metallica, same thing.

Different how? ACDC, not really one of my favorites wrote Power chord
songs, with few exceptions. But the test of time has these songs requested/
played over and over. With the same perspective, pick another band, and
say every song is different. There are some that might make the grade. I'm
thinking Led Zeppelin and Queen. Rock music, folk, country, even Barber-shop
quartet.
Very few, provide something different with each album, and maintain their
identity.

Cheers

[lord_of_rage]

A band's style is what they do, Metallica, same thing.

Different how? ACDC, not really one of my favorites wrote Power chord
songs, with few exceptions. But the test of time has these songs requested/
played over and over. With the same perspective, pick another band, and
say every song is different. There are some that might make the grade. I'm
thinking Led Zeppelin and Queen. Rock music, folk, country, even Barber-shop
quartet.
Very few, provide something different with each album, and maintain their
identity.

Cheers

Ive got to agree with rav'n here. AC/DC had some great albums. Back In Black is classic. But they are really similar and very repetitive. Still easy to jam too though.

Metallica lol. Wow not sure I want to get started on that rant. Metallica havent released a studio album that was really solid or relavant since the Black album. They have dramaticly changed their sound to the point where they are no where near the thrash band they used to be. They have become content and lazy in their live shows. Lars struggles with faster drum parts because he no longer really practices, and its not like his stuff is all that complex to begin with. Metallica have become mainstream they have been for about 20 years. The last solid thrash album they dropped was Justice in 88. They have been completely surpassed by their peers. Testament, Exodus,Megadeth, have all managed to remain strong and release quality thrash. Granted Mega did slip with Cryptic and Risk.
Metallica have released two sup par alt rock releases and utter nu metal crud with that Saint Anger. Their latest was an improvemt over Saint Anger but it was rehashed,poorly recorded and uninspired. So lets not bring Metallica into this.

[Uska]

Good list and pretty much agree I would add

Blue Oyster Cult

Dont fear the reaper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKxiL...eature=related

Godzilla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rDWqjnW7w


I am burning for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTvbXMRMnHo


need I say more?

[Zippo]

Ted Nugent??




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