To all the thelanian paper warriors

[petegunn]

I been playing my healers a lot recently and i've been noticing you guys going down quicker than a virgin on prom night. So for all you powder puff girls is this hard to achieve?

Con stat item +6
Greater false life
Shroud crafted hp item
At least one toughness feat and the enhancements to back it up
Minos helm from the orchard
Starting con stat of 14+
Heavy fort

As a general rule I draw the line at 400hp for a level 20 melee character, anything under that and you're a fecking liability. While some skilled players may be able to run with fewer hp from my experience the majority cannot (part 4 and 5 of the shroud spring to mind)

I'm gonna call it here basically you guys are a joke i'm sick sore and tired of you and i'm going to go outa my way to avoid you like the plague. If I create a raid or a party you're not getting in, pike your own lfm's.

[soloman]

Gettem Pete!!!

[Gorby]

As my friend Timelord says: "Did your son make your armor out of macaroni?"

[KannyaAryien]

If I could +1 you, I would, OP...but until then, I unapologetically agree.

Please, do not enter my Shroud's with less than 300 hp...those 200 hp rogues and casters out there, ya gotta hold up your end, I'm not your personal healer. I'm here for the group.

I hope a lot of people read this, and attempt to better their builds as a result. Cuz if it keeps getting worse, I'm only healing raids for people I know....and I really don't want to have to start doing that.

[Nouda_EU]

pete dont you love my squishes?

[Elaril]

<generic forum response> To Peete, your original post might be very sound advice that points players to the most appropriate way of speccing/outfitting a character for raids and quests where they will be taking heavy damage.

However, I, the responder, have at least one character that isn't "able to absorb much damage," and it has worked out for me in the two or three Shrouds that I have been able to complete without dying (I'm not going to mention the extra healer in the group spamming clw's on me soley to take me from almost dead to full health, or the other ten or twenty where I die almost immediately in part four). So what, if I know the ins and outs of the the penalty box...so what if I am "more trouble than I'm worth" to the healer...so what if the cleric "just lets me die." It's my toon, I made it, and I don't have to listen to anyone...neener neener neener. </generic forum response>

[petegunn]

pete dont you love my squishes?

Why Nouda you are exempt owing to the fact you have a fine set of squishies

[Jiipster]

I pondered joining a pug today on my FvS, but something drove me to MyDDO the rogue in the group first... he had 72 HP at level 12, a fort save of 2, and no fort. His WIS was twice as high as his CON.

[petegunn]

<generic forum response> To Peete, your original post might be very sound advice that points players to the most appropriate way of speccing/outfitting a character for raids and quests where they will be taking heavy damage.

However, I, the responder, have at least one character that isn't "able to absorb much damage," and it has worked out for me in the two or three Shrouds that I have been able to complete without dying (I'm not going to mention the extra healer in the group spamming clw's on me soley to take me from almost dead to full health, or the other ten or twenty where I die almost immediately in part four). So what, if I know the ins and outs of the the penalty box...so what if I am "more trouble than I'm worth" to the healer...so what if the cleric "just lets me die." It's my toon, I made it, and I don't have to listen to anyone...neener neener neener. </generic forum response>

Of course the whole server knows akoris not perfect, sometimes you have to have that one guy on your raid just for entertainment value and you and I both know that akori never fails to deliver . That is why raid leaders would let you join. Its when theres more than one akori in group when events take a turn for the worse.

[Xithos]

Nice list Pete; too bad the noobs that haven't figured this out yet probably don't read the forums either

[Bladecutter563]

I been playing my healers a lot recently and i've been noticing you guys going down quicker than a virgin on prom night. So for all you powder puff girls is this hard to achieve?

Con stat item +6 Expensive
Greater false life Expensive
Shroud crafted hp item Adventure pack
At least one toughness feat and the enhancements to back it up No excuses.
Minos helm from the orchard Adventure pack.
Starting con stat of 14+ No excuses.
Heavy fort Expensive

As a general rule I draw the line at 400hp for a level 20 melee character, anything under that and you're a fecking liability. While some skilled players may be able to run with fewer hp from my experience the majority cannot (part 4 and 5 of the shroud spring to mind)

I'm gonna call it here basically you guys are a joke i'm sick sore and tired of you and i'm going to go outa my way to avoid you like the plague. If I create a raid or a party you're not getting in, pike your own lfm's.

However, for a level 20 character, I agree completely. He should have more than enough plat, especially if he's doing and redoing raids. It's also hilarious to observe half a group, all fighters, going from full to a fourth of their hit points in a few seconds. I mean come on. My fighter isn't the best and she still manages to last several minutes at least without a heal. Not that hard.

[Dirac]

Yes and this cannot be emphasized enough. Everyone needs these items.

Blade, the items mentioned might be expensive at min level but min level 15 +6 con or GFL + some junk skill buff are not. Also, minos gives heavy fort.

Petegunn, you mention the Shroud. Obviously, if the person/character is new they are not going to have a shroud crafted hp item, so I would cut them some slack there. Everything else is absolute.

[LordArkan]

So someone should have a shroud-crafted item to run the shroud?

[Nezichiend]

Wonderful advice sir!

I put up several raids today and I got an enormous amount of join requests from people with <400hp. Casters with <300hp. And when I tell them that 270hp is too little for VoD on hard they say something like "I don't take any damage, I never melee" or "Screw you dude, your character sucks I am teh uberz!!" or "I have never been declined because of a cleric having low hp before".

At lvl 20, EVERY melee has to have 400hp minimum. Even rogues, rangers and melee bards. I'd say 450 minimum for pally and fighters.

[Gunga]

Kik'em in they shiitey bums, mate.

[Nezichiend]

So someone should have a shroud-crafted item to run the shroud?

No.

Let's say you are a paladin, lvl 17.

20 (Heroic durability)
170 (Hit dice)
102 (22con [14base+6item+2tome])
30 (GFL)
19 (Toughness)
20 (Minos)
20 (Toughness ench)
17 (Rage spell)
10 (Favour)
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408

[Salsa]

I disagree. Most of these are likely new players who may or may not even read the forums. They may not have access to these things. Expecting XYZ and is unreasonable IMO.

Whoever I think since we are talking 20th level here:

Con 14 is reasonable(though some builds don't need it this high)
Toughness is reasonable
A con item of some sort +2 to +4
False life item possibly
At least a light fort item

[EddieB_TBC]

Gettem Pete!!!

I was just thinking the other day... where has Pete been? ROFL

[Jiipster]

I disagree.

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At least a light fort item

No. There is absolutely NO excuse not to have heavy fortification after level 15.

[Swedishchef]

407 raged (lvl19) as bard in shourd with no shroud-hp item is it ok? (no madstone ofc)

I agree ofc even thou i do not represent all my guildies.