Epic SoS vs Min 2

[akiraproject24]

I am placing this thread here so that my fellow thelanians may have better access to the info...whatever the outcome.

obviously without DR the epic sos wins
with good you break lesser devil DR epic sos wins

My question is (and i heard the math was already out there just cant find it) which will win in the hands of a frenzy berserker against Horroth, Aerretrikos and the like...

epic sos or Min 2 greataxe.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...t=epic+sos+min

this is a link to some people that broke a record using an epic SoS party best I could find at the moment.

[akiraproject24]

My reasoning for this thread was I was Myddo'd on my toon Wrexx for a ToD, Im all for Myddoing ur party but I was asked if I had a DR breaker due to the fact that my toon was holding an Epic SoS. I want to know which pumps higher DPS so I can mzke sure I log out with my min 2 greataxe in my hands instead. lol

[Monkey_Archer]

For a maxed out FB these are the numbers i have...

0% fort, 0 DR
Min2 GA: 487.9 dps
ESOS: 645.5 dps

50% fort, 15 DR (normal pitfiends)
Min2 GA: 425.0 dps
ESOS: 445.7 dps

75% fort, 20 DR (hard pitfiends)
Min 2 GA: 393.5 dps
ESOS: 353.8 dps

75% fort, 30 DR (elite pitfiends)
Min 2 GA: 393.5 dps
ESOS: 321.5 dps


So on normal the eSOS is better, but not by alot. For a fighter, who benefits alot more from the seeker, threat range, etc... the ESOS has a larger advantage over a min 2 greatsword.
Not completely sure about DR values on hard/elite...

[akiraproject24]

awesome info monkey...ty very much for the response

[rjedi]

My reasoning for this thread was I was Myddo'd on my toon Wrexx for a ToD, Im all for Myddoing ur party but I was asked if I had a DR breaker due to the fact that my toon was holding an Epic SoS. I want to know which pumps higher DPS so I can mzke sure I log out with my min 2 greataxe in my hands instead. lol

i know myddo is used to set up parties and what not ( i dont use it ) but if someone saw you holding an eSoS and declind you cause you were not holding a dr breaker you prob do not want to be in that group....

[akiraproject24]

i know myddo is used to set up parties and what not ( i dont use it ) but if someone saw you holding an eSoS and declind you cause you were not holding a dr breaker you prob do not want to be in that group....

lol...I actually answered back "lol just decline me"...got invited then basically said "good luck guys" and broke party.

[Vhlad]

Anyone who myddos wrexx is a noob. Thwarted has played long enough, and often enough, to have name recognition.

Anyone who myddos a player, sees ESoS, and asks if they have a DR bypassing weapon for a normal run is an even bigger noob.

It shouldn't be surprising really. What, 80% of the playerbase are noobs now?

Next time someone asks me for the name of the character I'm swapping to, I should respond with "get off my lawn!" or something.

[akiraproject24]

lol vhlad...I dont mind gettin myddo'd and I dont mind being declined, I just dont want people to be ill informed and base decisions off misconceptions.

[akiraproject24]

Anyone who myddos wrexx is a noob. Thwarted has played long enough, and often enough, to have name recognition.

Anyone who myddos a player, sees ESoS, and asks if they have a DR bypassing weapon for a normal run is an even bigger noob.

It shouldn't be surprising really. What, 80% of the playerbase are noobs now?

Next time someone asks me for the name of the character I'm swapping to, I should respond with "get off my lawn!" or something.

How many "xxxxxxxx" arer you up to these days?

[sirgog]

For a maxed out FB these are the numbers i have...

0% fort, 0 DR
Min2 GA: 487.9 dps
ESOS: 645.5 dps

50% fort, 15 DR (normal pitfiends)
Min2 GA: 425.0 dps
ESOS: 445.7 dps

75% fort, 20 DR (hard pitfiends)
Min 2 GA: 393.5 dps
ESOS: 353.8 dps

75% fort, 30 DR (elite pitfiends)
Min 2 GA: 393.5 dps
ESOS: 321.5 dps


So on normal the eSOS is better, but not by alot. For a fighter, who benefits alot more from the seeker, threat range, etc... the ESOS has a larger advantage over a min 2 greatsword.
Not completely sure about DR values on hard/elite...

I know the DR numbers are wrong (they are 15/30/60, not 15/20/30) and believe the Hard Fiends have 50% fortification, same as Normal.

On Normal, Epic SoS is the clear best weapon. On Hard there's not much between them, on Elite the Min 2 outclasses the Epic SoS.

[Vanshilar]

Not completely sure about DR values on hard/elite...

My current test results suggest fort values of 50% for all difficulties, and DR of 15/25/35 for the different difficulties, for the various pit bosses (Arraetrikos, Suulomades, Horoth).

DR is fairly straightforward to test, it's just a matter of whether or not the group is willing to have you semi-pike and use a weapon that doesn't bypass DR to do your testing. Thus far, from direct testing, I have that Arraetrikos is DR 15 on normal and DR 35 (or possibly 34) on elite, while Horoth is DR 15 on normal and DR 25 on hard. Suulomades I suspect has DR 25 on hard but that was done via in-game eyeballing the numbers on my main hit and glancing blow damage rather than post-processing the video afterwards and doing an analysis on the damage ranges (which is what I used to test the DR for the other bosses). This is for the major pit bosses by the way, I think both the Judge in part 1 of ToD and Nythrios in part 2 of ToD both only have DR 15 on hard. Interestingly enough, I have data for ToD hard but not Shroud hard, because there's enough groups doing consistent ToD hard runs on Orien that they can afford to let me semi-pike and test out the DR and stuff, but most Shroud groups are just going for (normal) completion runs, and I didn't think to test the DR on the runs where I did shroud on hard (the shroud elite data point is only because I did record an elite run where I happened to forget to switch from vorpal to boss beater early on in part 4).

Fort is much harder to test, because it's probabilistic and requires fairly large sample sizes. So far though, my data is that fort is around 50% regardless of difficulty; for example, on shroud elite part 5, the guy resisted 42 crits out of 82 crit attempts, and for ToD hard part 3, the boss resisted 79 crits out of 159 crit attempts (so far). The 95% confidence interval for these are still fairly large however (around +- 10%), but it doesn't look like it'll get to the 75% fort range.

[Alter]

Don't worry thwarted. I don't get myddo'd all the time and it causes me grief because people confuse my melee FVS with my caster FVS.

I'm finding the epic sos to be very useful!

Alter

[Bunker]

I got myddo'd once, then I switched to Geico.

[protokon]

How many "xxxxxxxx" arer you up to these days?

I lol'd.

[Shade]

On Normal, Epic SoS is the clear best weapon. On Hard there's not much between them, on Elite the Min 2 outclasses the Epic SoS.

Not really. His numbers are so close that they show the Mineral2 is better on normal for at least Dwarves with Greataxes. I'd say on a warforged it would break even give or take 5%.

Reasons the numbers would be up enough on dwarf to surpass:
He obviously never includes acid damage, as it only works on some bursts/blasts/20s. But with weapons so close, even the small amount of damage youll do past the acid resist 10 counts.
As well as dwarf Axe damage +2 on a min2 greataxe. Think hes using greatswords?

Anyways I've used both in several battles and theres very little difference, but the mienral2 does very slightly better. Plus I like red numbers.

And re: not having a min2 cuz you got a eSoS.. Heh imo this should never happen, epics should be the next step above greensteel. But sadly given the ease of von6, it has hapepned, I know a guy on khyber with one and no tier3 greesnteel.. Meh. Luckily he is a paladin so he can at least use holy sword on hard/elite.

Ok go back to your business thelanis, surely theres no khyberians telling you whats up =)

[akiraproject24]

Not really. His numbers are so close that they show the Mineral2 is better on normal for at least Dwarves with Greataxes. I'd say on a warforged it would break even give or take 5%.

Reasons the numbers would be up enough on dwarf to surpass:
He obviously never includes acid damage, as it only works on some bursts/blasts/20s. But with weapons so close, even the small amount of damage youll do past the acid resist 10 counts.
As well as dwarf Axe damage +2 on a min2 greataxe. Think hes using greatswords?

Anyways I've used both in several battles and theres very little difference, but the mienral2 does very slightly better. Plus I like red numbers.

And re: not having a min2 cuz you got a eSoS.. Heh imo this should never happen, epics should be the next step above greensteel. But sadly given the ease of von6, it has hapepned, I know a guy on khyber with one and no tier3 greesnteel.. Meh. Luckily he is a paladin so he can at least use holy sword on hard/elite.

Ok go back to your business thelanis, surely theres no khyberians telling you whats up =)

who said anything about not having a min 2....it clearly states I could log out holding my min 2

-secondly...go back to your server forums this is concerning thelanis and clearly you couldnt hang here anyhow!

[PopeJual]

Put the Silver attribute in the Red Augmentation slot and make sure that the sword is in the hands of your Friendly Neighborhood Paladin20 to get the Good attribute on the weapon.

Problem solved.

[Gunga]

go back to your server forums this is concerning thelanis and clearly you couldnt hang here anyhow!

You, Sir, have obviously not seen the legendary videos.

[akiraproject24]

done sir done