4fighter/16monk you're oppinion

[undrentide]

Hey guys,

Still pretty new to the forum so this also my hi post!:P
been playing for some days now and i really like it. been playing nwn for years so i know some stuff about this system. well in nwn if you played monk.. you needed to play pure monk or you would lose all the bonuses. alas on the server i played.

i wanted to try 4fighter/16monk on this server. why you ask? well with the 4 fighter i'll gain 2 extra feats. + an extra attack. or two attacks not sure as you guys say two weapon fighting is a must for a monk. so i'll believe you on that

does this work like i explained or is there a catch and do you have any suggestions?

Undrentide, Merkhud the Quick

[Kriogen]

You will gain +2 damage from Weapon Spec but lose top tier special monk-only stances. And a couple of other nice things.

No, you will not gain extra attacks. I would not be surprised if you'd lose them.

In DDO Monks get (compared to NWN):
- *full* BAB if using monks weapons (fist, kama, qstaff)
- extra feats at 1, 2 and 6. You don't really need fighter for feats.
- KI and special powers based on that KI.
- if using fists (handwraps) the highest attack speed in game. Combination of the fact that hands are the fastest weapon in game, funky/hidden extra attacks if TWF-ing with fists and top tier Air stance.

I like multiclassing, but have to say, that for damage, pure Monk is better then any MC Monk combo.

Edit: Oh, Hi. Wellcome.

[undrentide]

Thanks for your quick reply! Guess i'll go for pure monk then. I didn't know they got full BAB here?:O

[Kriogen]

Thanks for your quick reply! Guess i'll go for pure monk then. I didn't know they got full BAB here?:O

When you want to take a feat that has BAB as prereq, Monk count as 3/4 BAB. Lets say Greater TWF (BAB 11).

But in combat, when hitting stuff, they have effective 1/1 BAB.

[mjrepro]

The biggest reason this is not advisable are the following items that you will lose out on as a monk:

2D10 damage dice (will top out at 2D8)

Perfect Slow fall (Works like featherfall when activated, still lets you take no damage from falling when not activated)

Perfect Self (You are treated as an outsider for things like hold person, and you have 10/Epic Dr)

Monk end cap (You can now carry double the amount of ki based on your concentration you have before losing some, on top of being able to regen up to your concentration level. Okay not double but much much more, like in the hundred range)

Monk is one of the few classes (or so I am told) that is worth getting the end cap in and staying pure. You will gain a bit from fighter, but nothing to make up for these free feats, all of which are at 20.

Oh yeah, and also the final stances, including the final wind stance that pumps your speed up 10% insight and 15% enchantment. Those are at 18

[zealous]

I like multiclassing, but have to say, that for damage, pure Monk is better then any MC Monk combo.

While the benefits of monk18 are quite telling in the increased elemental strikes as well as the extra 2.5% attack speed from windstance, monk19-20 only grants +2 damage.

2 damage can easily be obtained by splashing.

[Jamma]

While the benefits of monk18 are quite telling in the increased elemental strikes as well as the extra 2.5% attack speed from windstance, monk19-20 only grants +2 damage.

2 damage can easily be obtained by splashing.

Ok, I'll bite. What do you splash two levels of to get +2 damage all the time?

[Eurytos]

While the benefits of monk18 are quite telling in the increased elemental strikes as well as the extra 2.5% attack speed from windstance, monk19-20 only grants +2 damage.

2 damage can easily be obtained by splashing.

You should be slapped.

+1 Ki Regen until max Concentration (And Concentration+10) Will also hold Ki steady past your max concentration instead of a -1 reduction every few seconds
10 DR/Epic
Shining Star
+1 AC
Empty Body (Shadow walk, run even faster)
Perfect Slow Fall (never take falling damage)

[zealous]

You should be slapped.

Context dear Eurytos, context. None of the things you listed add damage, possibly except for the passive ki regen allowing an extra strike once in a blue moon, thus my statement that splash 2 will bring more damage to the table stands.

You should be slapped.
+1 Ki Regen until max Concentration (And Concentration+10) Will also hold Ki steady past your max concentration instead of a -1 reduction every few seconds
10 DR/Epic
Shining Star
+1 AC
Empty Body (Shadow walk, run even faster)
Perfect Slow Fall (never take falling damage)

Where to start...

19-20:
2 base damage, 9ish DPS
shining star
AC
DR; good for fights intensive enough to wear through a stone skin clicky
shadow walk; neato
capstone; nice if you're going slow or have yet to learn to maximize ki usage
...
Rogue 1:
hjeest boost: 15-20ish dps
SA: 30ish dps no fort, 15ish dps 50% fort
___
Can splash ranger for sprint boost and +3 damage against...ebil outsiders?
Can splash cleric/FvS (early) to qualify for emp healing if halfer
Can splash bard for UMD, mini fascinate, empower healing
Can splash wiz if elf to qualify for AA and meta magic feat
Can splash fighter 1 for hjeest boost, toughness enhancement(10hp) and feat, fighter 2 for an additional feat and +1 str
Can splash pally2 for saves, loh and toughness enhancement

Sure the things you get for 19-20 are neat an all. I just don't see any benefit from a min-max perspective.
Capstone: Worthless if you know how to handle ki generation
DR: Stoneskin, aggromanagement and positioning can easily match the benefit and where it can't there will likely be massheals. Main benefit would be needing less thought/item management imo.
Shining star: Dunno, can be useful in epics or so I've heard. How often do you land it against epic mobs, i.e. how much ki/success on average? Does it make things die faster? Save resources?
+1 AC: Either you're running content where AC matters and you as a 18monk can reach untouchable AC without it or you're running content where AC doesn't matter and it's unimportant.
Shadow walk:UMD
Perfect slow fall:Like any character capable to drop like a rock and put on ff right before hitting the ground?

*reels back from the slap*
Don't know really, they're fun and unique and gives character to your character. If that's your thing there's nothing wrong with that. If you find them benefiting your character then that's good for you, doesn't mean everyone has to do and think the same way though.

Personally I prefer haste boost, sprint boost, sneak attack, full ranks in intimidate, full ranks in umd, +1AC and +3 damage to raid boss of choice.

Gain some, loose some. Same same but different.

[Eurytos]

Shining star is very useful in epic. Works well to CC epic beholders, casters, etc. before your caster or bards gets to them. Works very well on trolls, ogres, and other low will save hard-hitting mobs too. Monks run fast and often are able to get to a fight before everyone else, use shining star and start fighting while people catch up.

None of the options you provide are worth splashing another class. Pure monk is still a much much better option.

Fighter gives you 10hp and +1 str through enhancements, so net gain of -1 damage (from monk's 2) and 10hp if you get an even str. Also 2 fighter feats, but honestly, what would you use it on?

Ranger will give you +3 damage to raid boss of your choice, or stay monk and get +2 damage to everything. Which is more beneficial?

Paladin would give you saves, and a ~40hp LoH. Pointless considering monk saves are awesome and most things you need saves for are covered by spells.

Bard for UMD? A pure monk can get enough UMD to do anything they need to do with it with the right gear.

Besides, lowering monk levels lowers your DC to everything since monk DCs are calculated by 10 + Monk Level (or Half for stun/qp) + Wis/Cha bonus.




Gain some, lose a lot.

[oweieie]

DR: Stoneskin,

Some mobs bypass adamantine. And as you're DPS focused, the time taken to constantly rebuff stoneskin is a pretty massive DPS loss and a pain in the butt on par with being light path.

[TPICKRELL]

Since this is your first monk, I'd recommend going pure monk also.

If in the future you decide you want to multiclass a fighter monk, look at going either 6 or 12 fighter to get the Kensai prestige class enhancements. They have decent synergy with the monk class. It quickly becomes an unarmed fighter rather than a pure monk.

I'm running leveling a WF kensai II Monk multi now in addition to my pure monk and finding it interesting to play.

[abull74]

Make sure you take toughness and all the TWF feats. You will like the speed at which you attack with maxed out wind stance and Greater Two Weapon Fighting.

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