Halfing or Drow

[Xyzima]

So ive been dramaticaly indecisive about my rogue. ive rerolled several times, and tried assassin(at level 15), hated it, because of always having to be in sneak mode to assassinate, and often when using assassinate i ended up missing(not miss via attack roll, miss like using trip in the middle of town) now dont get me wrong, vorapls to any weapons are awsome, but i figured i would like theif acrobat or mechanic more. and i dont want to make a mechanic. so Theif it is. in that aspect. I set about building a theif acrobat, and came with 2 concepts, tempest or Staff. my first thoughts on staff rogue were monk 6 rogue 12 or 13, 1 other. to yet be decided. but ended settling on the builds below for the most part. feats, skill progression are subject to change, but im not to concerned about them.

I would love opinions on the builds. from what i can tell, i can still use a staff similar to a staff rogue, or vorpal kamas with the air stance, but main build is focused on rapiers. and the races are Halfling vs Drow. i can seem to see a few small benefits of each and would like your opinions on the races. Ignore the skills for the halfling, most likely going witht he drows(just did them for tests to lazy to change), a couple feats are subject to change, but generally will be the same for both.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34
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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Halfling Female
(2 Monk \ 12 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 258
Spell Points: 55 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 23
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             12                    20
Dexterity            16                    22
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         16                    18
Wisdom               12                    14
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    12
Bluff                -1                     2
Concentration         3.5                  24.5
Diplomacy             3                    23
Disable Device        7                    32
Haggle                3                    23
Heal                  1                     2
Hide                  7                    30
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  5                    34
Listen                1                     5
Move Silently         7                    25
Open Lock             7                    31
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                3                     4
Search                7                    30
Spot                  5                    25
Swim                  1                     5
Tumble                4                    13
Use Magic Device      3                    23

{\b {\ul Notable Equipment }} \par Tharne's Goggles \par Belt of the Mroranon \par Bloodstone \par Shintao Cord \par Tharne's Bracers \par Kundarak Delving Boots \par Kyosho's Ring \par Ring of the Archmagi \par Cloak of Resistance \par  \par Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 16 (Ranger)


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Way of the Faithful Hound I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Balance I
Enhancement: Rogue Balance II
Enhancement: Monk Concentration I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device III
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Search II
Enhancement: Rogue Search III
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble I
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Drow Male
(2 Monk \ 12 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 196
Spell Points: 55 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 22
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    22
Dexterity            16                    22
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence         16                    18
Wisdom               12                    14
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    12
Bluff                 0                     1
Concentration         1                     2
Diplomacy             4                    24
Disable Device        7                    30
Haggle                4                    24
Heal                  1                     2
Hide                  7                    29
Intimidate            0                     1
Jump                  6                    33
Listen                1                     5
Move Silently         7                    27
Open Lock             7                    29
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     4
Search                7                    32
Spot                  5                    27
Swim                  2                     6
Tumble                7                    28
Use Magic Device      4                    24

Level 1 (Rogue)


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Rogue)


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Monk)


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Rogue)


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Rogue)


Level 16 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Perception I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Way of the Faithful Hound I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Balance I
Enhancement: Rogue Balance II
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device III
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Search II
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble I
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

[Yajerman01]

aside the class and levels - I have always like Halflings +1 to AC, +1 to-hit, Halfling enhancements, ie saves, cunning and guile and the fact that you dont weaken yourself in the CON ability.

Drow offer SR, +2 to damage and to-hit with rapiers and +2 in Charsima for UMD and Int for rogue skills.

SR - you can pick up an item for this

+2 damge +2 to-hit - really its only +1 to-hit and cunning and guile more then make up for the +2 damage in flank mode.

+2 Charisma - your really talking +1 to your UMD only, very minor
+2 Int - your not going assassin so where does this matter other then perhaps a+1 action point. You will still be able to max out your rogue skills where it counts.

Halfling FTW!

[Xyzima]

in comparison of what ive seen, 12 str halfing with the same feats as 14 str drow, and enhancements save guile/cunning vs rapier+2/2,

+1 ac, +1 to fort, and ref save, +1 damage when flanking, 3/4ths carrying, +4 to hide, +2 to move silently, +2 con vs

+2 to search, +1 will save(vs spells, which is the only thing that matters really), +1 cha skills(+2 cha).

with the enhancements, and feats the same save the 2 racial ones mentioned. they are almost identical i just cant decide between what, but im probably going halfling.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

in comparison of what ive seen, 12 str halfing with the same feats as 14 str drow, and enhancements save guile/cunning vs rapier+2/2,

+1 ac, +1 to fort, and ref save, +1 damage when flanking, 3/4ths carrying, +4 to hide, +2 to move silently, +2 con vs

+2 to search, +1 will save(vs spells, which is the only thing that matters really), +1 cha skills(+2 cha).

with the enhancements, and feats the same save the 2 racial ones mentioned. they are almost identical i just cant decide between what, but im probably going halfling.

There have been some threads by those who are rather expert on rogue builds and number crunching. In the end, you are right, the two are near identical, both get advantages and disadvantages, go with whichever seems to suit your style.