How Does Rep Work?

[Memnir]

Send a message and turn off your meter.

That sends no message what so ever, I'm afraid. See, Turbine could care less if you turn it off, keep it on, ignore it, or use it all the time. These are the same folks who seem to be intentionally keeping the System murky, and ill-defined. So, they really don't care if you have a lill gray box, a few red ones, or any number of green.

The Rep system has it's flaws, many of them. Bust since all turning it off does is turn off your visible meter - turning it off is a meaningless gesture. If it were a true opt-out, and turning it off rendered you unable to give or receive Rep - that would be sending a message. As it is, turning if off is just like an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand.


I see no point in turning it off, unless you have some embarrassment related to it - or don't understand what turning it off really means. But, that's just me...

[Nebless]

My main problem with the rep system comes from this:

Approve (e.g. Well Said, Informative, Positive Contribution)
Disapprove (e.g. Inflammatory, Derogatory, Disruptive, Trolling, or violates community guidelines)

The choice you get when you call it up. As you can see the 'Approve' is all the touchy feely feel good stuff, yet the 'Disappove' leans more towards the official violation / banning variety. Where the actual truth is more in lines with 'He's not agreeing with what I think, How dare he not follow the herd, the nail that sticks up will be hammered down'.

This even came up in the Free or New player forums just a few weeks back. Someone new made a suggestion that while not really workable, was not any of the offical disapprove items. What it really was was a different way of thinking than the old timers wished to hear and they totally neg rep'd hiim for it until someone stepped in and told them to stop, that a different opinion from the norm wasn't a neg rep item.

As you can see, mine is off. I neither give nor receive.

[irivan]

unless you enjoy High school gamesmanship, i suggest you turn rep off, it is completely useless.

[Slink]

Ignore it, and it'll go away, right?
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Sure thing. Just keep that head in the sand, my friend. Whatever makes you happy, do. But, turning it off does nothing, no matter what you want me to read between...

Looky there im off timer!

[Lorien_the_First_One]

My main problem with the rep system comes from this:

Approve (e.g. Well Said, Informative, Positive Contribution)
Disapprove (e.g. Inflammatory, Derogatory, Disruptive, Trolling, or violates community guidelines)

The choice you get when you call it up. As you can see the 'Approve' is all the touchy feely feel good stuff, yet the 'Disappove' leans more towards the official violation / banning variety. Where the actual truth is more in lines with 'He's not agreeing with what I think, How dare he not follow the herd, the nail that sticks up will be hammered down'..

Up until about a month ago negative rep had a different definition.

Turbine has made the new one pretty clear. Most people I know who give neg rep do so for people who are being abusive in some way, in keeping with the new rules. I have however noticed that people being jerks often don't seem to know they are being jerks and assume it is because you disagree with them.

When people have mutliple red boxes, its ALWAYS their ignorant attitude that earned the red boxes, not the fact they aren't 'going with the herd' as you put it.

[Nebless]

Up until about a month ago negative rep had a different definition.

Turbine has made the new one pretty clear. Most people I know who give neg rep do so for people who are being abusive in some way, in keeping with the new rules. I have however noticed that people being jerks often don't seem to know they are being jerks and assume it is because you disagree with them.

When people have mutliple red boxes, its ALWAYS their ignorant attitude that earned the red boxes, not the fact they aren't 'going with the herd' as you put it.

Well the poor newbie that made 1 innocent suggestion that got so totally flamed an old timer had to step in wasn't being a jerk.

Also the use of the word 'ALWAYS' is hardly ever correct in a situation and if my comment in a now closed thread where I said that as a lvl 5 I welcomed new lvl 5 content, while everyone else was blasting the decision cuz they wanted high level content constituted an ignorant attitude ..... gomen.

Unfortunitly DDO has a problem with the community and it shows up in different areas, but it all pretty much comes down to the old vs new player problem. Those from 2006 feel a very strong sense of ownership towards the game (nothing wrong there) but they also have a strong bias towards anything that goes against the norm. That shows up here in the forums and the rep system.

[Xeraphim]

1) How does Rep work?
2) What does Rep actually do?
3) How do I give someone Rep?
4) How much Rep do I have at the start (assume 0)?
...etc.

1) It doesn't.
2) Nothing.
3) Click the scales by the post number and click "I agree with this post" or "I disagree with this post".
4) Zero.

[IronClan]

Also the use of the word 'ALWAYS' is hardly ever correct in a situation and if my comment in a now closed thread where I said that as a lvl 5 I welcomed new lvl 5 content, while everyone else was blasting the decision cuz they wanted high level content constituted an ignorant attitude ..... gomen.

Ah "update 5 garbage"

I got neg rep'ed in that thread too sometimes vets don't want to hear the truth... They don't want to hear that they don't own the game any more than a long time resident of an apartment renting a unit across from a new tenant has "more ownership" than the new tenant... Once either one stops paying rent they are both out on the curb with their stuff. This might not be POPULAR to state but it's certainly not trolling or abusive.

Personally just about every single neg rep I've gotten has been for a post on a "hot topic" like zerging or DA or elitist attitudes towards the new players (as in that thread) and each neg has pretty much violated the current rules.

[Josh]

When people have mutliple red boxes, its ALWAYS their ignorant attitude that earned the red boxes, not the fact they aren't 'going with the herd' as you put it.

Complete speculation on your part and pretty much B.S.

[DoctorWhofan]

Here is my rep system:

green -- I like this message and agree with it. Or, for Memnir, nice pic, you owe me a keyboard/monitor.

red -- I find your statement to be rude and offensive, whether or not I agree with you. Bisically like it is now.

grey -- disabled/no rep

agree to disagree -- While I disagree with the poster, he wasn't rude or insulting in the mildest way. Posted an intelligent abet wrong opinion. counts for 1/4 of red or green, and lowers both colours to the other side.

[Kalari]

People are going to have their opinions about rep no matter what

why worry? if you dont want to parcipate in it dont, why bother telling people not to.

its a bloody popularity contest no matter what the mods try to say thats that ive gotten from it and you can play it a few ways..

1. say what everyone wants to hear (yes man lady whatever) and get pop points that way.

2. Pity farm for it

3. Have a likeable personality and good photoshop skills

4. Be no nonsense stick to your guns and speak your mind. Some seem to think that doesnt work but I can show you a few forum posters who never change their style (myself included) who have good rep in this forums. We may argue from time to time but we stand by our posts and try to help the game.

If you cant handle the game dont play it but for petes sake enough whining about rep if you dont care then on/off it shouldnt affect you period.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Well the poor newbie that made 1 innocent suggestion that got so totally flamed an old timer had to step in wasn't being a jerk.

Also the use of the word 'ALWAYS' is hardly ever correct in a situation and if my comment in a now closed thread where I said that as a lvl 5 I welcomed new lvl 5 content, while everyone else was blasting the decision cuz they wanted high level content constituted an ignorant attitude ..... gomen.

Unfortunitly DDO has a problem with the community and it shows up in different areas, but it all pretty much comes down to the old vs new player problem. Those from 2006 feel a very strong sense of ownership towards the game (nothing wrong there) but they also have a strong bias towards anything that goes against the norm. That shows up here in the forums and the rep system.

I stand by that ALWAYS. I have seen people with 1 red box that wasn't well earned (it only takes 1 neg rep hit for a new person). But multiple red boxes... never seen that where the guy wasn't being a jerk. Feel free to give me a link to any such case and I'll happily modify my opinion if I'm wrong. (Or are you saying that's you? I can't tell since you turned your rep display off).

People disagree all the time without neg repping each other. For example the "vs WoW" thread today probably earned some neg rep for being trollish, not for suggesting change. I didn't bother to neg rep in that case, but I could see people doing it. However other threads where they just made suggestions for change, people argued the change but I doubt neg rep was handed out.

What does "gomen" mean?

Complete speculation on your part and pretty much B.S.

Not speculation, observation. Prove me wrong. Point at one poster with multiple red boxes who has not been a jerk.

[Nebless]

(Or are you saying that's you? I can't tell since you turned your rep display off).

What does "gomen" mean?

No I was a single box type myself.

Gomen is the short form of 'Sorry' in Japanese.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

No I was a single box type myself.

Gomen is the short form of 'Sorry' in Japanese.

Ah... thanks for clarifying Gomen.

See...you just had 1 box. Easy to get for a new person (just takes 1 person) and they quickly disappear.

2 boxes takes work on the poster's part.

[Josh]

I stand by that ALWAYS. I have seen people with 1 red box that wasn't well earned (it only takes 1 neg rep hit for a new person). But multiple red boxes... never seen that where the guy wasn't being a jerk. Feel free to give me a link to any such case and I'll happily modify my opinion if I'm wrong. (Or are you saying that's you? I can't tell since you turned your rep display off).

People disagree all the time without neg repping each other. For example the "vs WoW" thread today probably earned some neg rep for being trollish, not for suggesting change. I didn't bother to neg rep in that case, but I could see people doing it. However other threads where they just made suggestions for change, people argued the change but I doubt neg rep was handed out.

What does "gomen" mean?



Not speculation, observation. Prove me wrong. Point at one poster with multiple red boxes who has not been a jerk.

You're making the claim, how about you prove yourself right?

Do you honestly think that *everyone* uses the rep system as it is intened to be?

EDIT

Let me clarify. I'm not going to argue the fact that multiple red box users are being jerks or trolls. That's true. What is also true is that that people that can award negative rep can, and do give it for reasons other than "intended". The whole rep system is a sham, and has been since it's inception.

[Borror0]

Do you honestly think that *everyone* uses the rep system as it is intened to be?

He's not saying that. He's only saying that abuses are, when put into perspective, rare and manageable.

[Xeraphim]

He's not saying that. He's only saying that abuses are, when put into perspective, rare and manageable.

Rep Farming among friends being one example, and not rare at all. Further, it is not managed in any way, and defrauds the system entirely. Therefore, the Rep System is as I stated: Not valuable in any real way to the community.

Example: A comedian has full green rep, whereas an analytic person noting problems and solutions may have red, despite the analytic actually addressing real issues and solutions and the comedian contributing nothing but silly images and jests nonstop. This is essentially how the Rep system works currently.

[RTN]

I didn't check every page to see if this was answered, but new people start out with a small number of positive rep pts. I believe the number is 10.

[Borror0]

Therefore, the Rep System is as I stated: Not valuable in any real way to the community.

I don't think Lorien thinks it has any value. As for myself, I think it's misleading to call it reputation. It's not what it is, it's not even a marker of identity. It's a crowdsourced moderation tool, which may or may not have a beneficial effect on the community.

[Warlawk]

That sends no message what so ever, I'm afraid...SNIP

The Rep system has it's flaws, many of them. Bust since all turning it off does is turn off your visible meter - turning it off is a meaningless gesture. ...SNIP

I disagree. Lets say for the sake of argument that 90% of all forum users, including many of the high profile high post count posters all of a sudden all turned their meters off on the same day, and then left them shut off. You really think this would not send a message to Turbine?

You can't see a molecule, but when enough of them get together you can't help but notice. Same thing here. You just need enough people to actually do it, and it will in fact send a message.