How Does Rep Work?

[Memnir]

I You really think this would not send a message to Turbine?

After seeing much of the unrest that has occured over things in the game that actually matter over the years, and how Turbine has utterly ignored said unrest.. no, I don't think it'd send a message what so ever. I don't think the Mods and Devs would even bat an eyelash.

[Warlawk]

After seeing much of the unrest that has occured over things in the game that actually matter over the years, and how Turbine has utterly ignored said unrest.. no, I don't think it'd send a message what so ever. I don't think the Mods and Devs would even bat an eyelash.

Well, it would in fact send the message. You're just saying they would ignore it. Not at all the same thing.

[Pyromaniac]

Here's some rep system basics. You either play the rep game or not.

If not, turn off your rep meter in the user CP. Nobody can then see your rep. You can get positive/negative rep, but its irrelevant visually. The only impact is Tarrant gets to read all your posts, or as many as he wants.

If you want a good rep bar, get a bunch of friends together and positive rep each other. Fastest way to do it. Or you could post a lot and hope those with positive rep bars agree with your opinion and like your posts.

In short, the rep system is broken, and has no impact to you ingame.

[Pyromaniac]

Personally just about every single neg rep I've gotten has been for a post on a "hot topic" like zerging or DA or elitist attitudes towards the new players (as in that thread) and each neg has pretty much violated the current rules.

I personally don't agree with your posts on the direction of the game, but I completely agree since you go against the herd you get negative rep. That's the purpose of the rep system, to keep people in line.

(and likely I'll get negative repped for giving my opinion here).

[Lorien_the_First_One]

You're making the claim, how about you prove yourself right?

Well first off if I pointed at one person (or 10) with multiple red boxes and pointed out where they were a jerk you would claim that wasn't everyone and I hadn't proven anything. Secondly that would be a forum violation. You could disprove me by pointing at ONE where I was wrong without breaking any rules. Ball's in your court.

Do you honestly think that *everyone* uses the rep system as it is intened to be?

EDIT

Let me clarify. I'm not going to argue the fact that multiple red box users are being jerks or trolls. That's true. What is also true is that that people that can award negative rep can, and do give it for reasons other than "intended". The whole rep system is a sham, and has been since it's inception.

I never once said every neg rep given was appropriate. All I said was the followup point you made, that multiple red boxes is a sign that people were being jerks or trolls.

Also I think whatever value the rep system had (always somewhat questionable, I argued against it on day 1) largely vanished when they changed to the current definition of neg rep. Having neg rep not meaning the opposite of pos rep really does not make sense.

Example: A comedian has full green rep, whereas an analytic person noting problems and solutions may have red, despite the analytic actually addressing real issues and solutions and the comedian contributing nothing but silly images and jests nonstop. This is essentially how the Rep system works currently.

Well according to the definitions Turbine set out, comic guy should have a green bar.

Your red bar analytic guy doesn't exist. Point me at a specific user who is analytical without being a jerk who has more than 1 red dot and I'll retract that.

I don't think Lorien thinks it has any value. As for myself, I think it's misleading to call it reputation. It's not what it is, it's not even a marker of identity. It's a crowdsourced moderation tool, which may or may not have a beneficial effect on the community.

Yup, that's what its become alright. It's not even a great mod tool since we've seen people with 4 red dots still posting outside of hours mods work. I don't know where they have set the posting block point, but its too high to serve the main purpose this system could allow.

Well it serves one other purpose. When I see a troll I still sometimes give drive-by neg rep. Stops me from engaging the troll sometimes, and that's a good thing.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

If you want a good rep bar, get a bunch of friends together and positive rep each other. Fastest way to do it. Or you could post a lot and hope those with positive rep bars agree with your opinion and like your posts.

You'd need a lot of friends since you can only give rep to a person once every few days (depending how much rep you give out) and new people can only give a small amount of rep. Bascially, that's not how people got big green bars.

Contribute to the community and your green bar grows quickly.

[Borror0]

It's not even a great mod tool since we've seen people with 4 red dots still posting outside of hours mods work.

I was not thinking of moderation in terms of stopping trolls but in terms of modifying the average user's behavior to be more positive and less inflammatory. I believe that it is, at the end of the day, the primary goal of the reputation system. I'm not sure if it works, or even if it is beneficial, but I'm pretty sure that was the intent.

[Memnir]

Well, it would in fact send the message. You're just saying they would ignore it. Not at all the same thing.

Which gets back to my initial point that turning it off is pointless.

[Warlawk]

Which gets back to my initial point that turning it off is pointless.

I guess you've just had more time to get jaded than I have.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.