Garbage Loot

[BrinLondo]

I'm going to whine about my loot. Turbine...come closer, we need to talk.

Turbine I am a dwarven cleric, just shy of 20th level. To date, I've found one item that has "wowed" me: a +1 tome. That's it. Oh you give me stuff to be sure, but it's hardly exciting or even useful. Now I feel I "whine" with some just cause. As I said, I'm a dwarven cleric--NOT a warforged mage.

Why you insist or giving me docents & staffs, I have no idea. Perhaps this is a not so subtle hint at reincarnation? If so I'll direct you to my failed attempt as a wizard. I actually created this toon thinking, "Well if the dwarf can't use it, maybe someone else can..." That didn't last long and I ended that pathetic caster's existence for the benefit of all of Eberron. It's fair to say, that every four to five chest--on average cause during level 13-17 it was a solid three--every four to five chests, I got a docent and/or a staff.

I've been given enough docents to outfit every warforged character on Thelanis. I've been given enough staffs to create a line from the Orchard to the Reaver's Refuge.

While I have a bow--I'm not an archer. In fact, there has been maybe 8 times total I've used my bow. To be honest, I only bought the **** thing cause you guys love to give me arrows & bolts. Lots of arrows and bolts. Maybe I've missed some grand lore of a dwarven archer--not one comes to mind--but it isn't me. Not once in any group when we've needed a ranged attack, has anyone said, "Cleric can you make that shot?!" Why? Because they are sane whereas you folks have lost your minds! Either that or there is a glitch in your matrix and somewhere, perhaps on another server, there's a warforged mage getting dwarven axes and mithril armor.

I've suspected that loot is somehow linked to level. I haven't been wowed yet in the first 19. I will confess I was momentarily excited when I briefly read about "diplo-ing" a chest or quest giver to get a better reward. For a brief moment, I thought, "AHH that's what I'm not doing!!" Then my heart sank when I read it was a myth.

Tell ya what, I'll sell the bow and you stop giving me arrows--kay?

We also need to talk about your dragon "hoards." I admit I haven't DMed since 3rd Edition first hit the shelf, but I am familiar with treasure tables. Suffice to say, that in a dragon hoard, I have a chance of getting something--for lack of a better word--"sexy" in the hoard. An item that has some merit and might--just might--*gasp* be useful to me.

Nope.

I don't know where to begin, but I think your dragons raid K-Mart and/or flea markets. After running through Tor five times, my collective parties found one scale. Pathetic. I have my dragontouch armor before I have my dragonshard armor. There's something wrong with that. But after running through Tor and battling a gauntlet of giants, skeletal giants, gnolls, minotaurs, and trolls and defeating the White Dragon, all I can say is:

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!

Alright gold is gold. Fine. Running through the treasure mounds and collecting--awesome! What I'm collecting: ****! After all that battle do you really think any character would pick up: masterwork arrows? healing kits? throwing hammers (which I can't even use), shurikens (which I can't even use), a level 3 resist energy wand with 14 charges? You can't even give me a fully charged wand?--why would my toon pick up this junk???

Okay--it's random--I get it. But with a hoard couldn't you tweak it a bit? Give us a bit better, more useable, stuff? It's not "vendor trash" you're giving--it's litter. Junk. All three dragons---junk. What's next? Starter rags? How about that moldy quarterstaff the halfling gives you on the beach in Korthos?? That'd fit in! Maybe stick in a "tasty ham..."

And it's just not these hoards either. Did Prey of the Hunter too. Got a little crazy and we took on the dragons at the end (don't tell the patron). Drank three pots I bought at your store and hit the "hoard." Junk. Junk. and more Junk...and some Reader's Digests from '79!

My point is for dragon "hoards" these are pretty anemic. Breaking barrels in any random quest I could wind up with +1 arrows, but in a hoard--masterwork? Lame.

Now I'm not looking for a handout. I don't want it easy and I understand that it's cool to trade, sell, other types of equipment--just give me some OTHER types of equipment to trade or sell. I'm not asking for TOMES in every hoard, but c'mon masterwork arrows? healing kits (anyone really use those?)

OK...done whining Turbine. Let's start anew. Ease up on the arrows, give the docents to warforge, let the sorcs have the staffs, and just try to send me something useful from time to time.

[Illtemperedclavier]

Yes it did.

[toughguyjoe]

Your chest loot is the same as everyone elses. If you have Class based end rewards turned off, you will get a completely random list of items for your end rewards. If you have it on, you will get armor you are proficient with, Weapons you are proficient with, and other Items you could use at your level.

Nothing is gauranteed. Sometimes people go great strings of time with ****y loot. Sorry to hear about it man, but the solution is to sell all of that junk (the masterowkr arrows from the "dragons hoard" is just another turbine mis step..nothing we can do about those) but the other stuff, sell it. get a good price(haggle if you have it). Buy stuff you need from brokers/auction house.

Its what everyone had to do with their first toon.

[k0ukla]

i feel ur pain.. and im not a dwarf so i get double (almost )the useless items

[infernalmagiks]

...and somewhere, perhaps on another server, there's a warforged mage getting dwarven axes and mithril armor....

That would be me.

[LunaCee]

Well, I don't know about the armor...

My wizard is a fiend at pulling jewelry and clothing that is actually worth something though... as long as it isn't a caster use only loot drop. No spell storing ring yet multiple bloodstones, an endless supply of clean +stat items, some of them even two levels lower without an RR attached.

My up and coming WF fighter on the other hand. If its an exotic weapon it is going to drop. IT WILL DROP!

Latest quality find on the up and coming WF intimi-tank? A +1 True Chaos Silver Dwarven Axe of Pure Good, ML 4. Acquired while tooling through a 6th level quest on elite for favor.

[Rasczak]

Dump all those docents and make some gold to buy that rr dwarf armour that the wf wiz is gettign annoyed at finding

One man's junk is another man's treasure

[BrinLondo]

If you have Class based end rewards turned off, you will get a completely random list of items for your end rewards. If you have it on, you will get armor you are proficient with, Weapons you are proficient with, and other Items you could use at your level. Its what everyone had to do with their first toon.

There's a BUTTON for end rewards?????????????? Where??????????

[bunkerhugger]

I was just thinking last night that the loot system had been beefed up in some way - it seems like every chest I opened had a +5 X of X item in it. There were some quest end rewards where I found myself wondering which of the items I didn't want, instead of just looking at the their vendor value. Sadly, no mnemonic potions though, so maybe the loot has just been made anti dwarf cleric.

[mws2970]

Get a +15 haggle item and a GH from a friendly caster and sell it all! I can't tell you how many decent dwarven axes and bastard swords I have pulled and gotten as end rewards. Sell it for whatever you can get and look on the AH for what you want. You can also put up a message on the trade channel. If you're in Meridia or Amrath, or the IQ, you might get some good stuff. Personally, if someone offered me base value on the 128 and 162kgp items I pulled, I'd take that in a second over selling it to a Gen Ven or bartender. Heck, I'd even take 50% value! You can also put up those items on the AH with the base as your buyout. Those tend to sell pretty well. You'll be rolling in plat soon and can afford whatever you want!

[rest]

Heh OP +1 for making me laugh. Well thought and impeccably delivered loot rant.

[Onesikpup]

i beg to differ...i like junk loot..it is so amusing sometimes...

+3 flaming sickle of greater ooze bane (i like poking oozes)

+2 ghost touch dagger of smiting (because we know how many undead golems there are)


the list goes on...i have chuckled at far more items than this...

honestly, i cant wait for my next ghost touch shield tho...or my choice of 7 of them as an end reward

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Unfortunately the loot tables in DDO are huge and i'm struggling to think of one piece of random loot than could actually be exciting for someone to pull (at least folk that have been playing as long as I have.)

Named loot, crafted loot and BTA/C loot has taken over the game which means anything you need/want requires grinding.

Random loot was very exciting back in the days of DfC, pre-Gianthold. Alas, no more.

Take a look at the definitive loot thread and start farming.

[mws2970]

i beg to differ...i like junk loot..it is so amusing sometimes...

+3 flaming sickle of greater ooze bane (i like poking oozes)

+2 ghost touch dagger of smiting (because we know how many undead golems there are)


the list goes on...i have chuckled at far more items than this...

honestly, i cant wait for my next ghost touch shield tho...or my choice of 7 of them as an end reward

I loved getting an Underwater Action Necklace of XX, rr WF. Good thing my rogue could UMD it!

[Beherit_Baphomar]

There's a BUTTON for end rewards?????????????? Where??????????

Options, gameplay iirc.

[BrinLondo]

I was just thinking last night that the loot system had been beefed up in some way - it seems like every chest I opened had a +5 X of X item in it. There were some quest end rewards where I found myself wondering which of the items I didn't want, instead of just looking at the their vendor value. Sadly, no mnemonic potions though, so maybe the loot has just been made anti dwarf cleric.

That or I'm part of some highly covert Turbine effort to introduce curses. I'm like the "anti-jewel" of fortune. Instead of a +1 to loot level, I'm like a -2.5 to loot level.

[Tharlak]

+1 Loved every word of the OP.

[SlayerInFlorida]

Junk. Junk. And More Junk...and Some Reader's Digests From '79!

Hahaha!!!

[Spoonwelder]

Another dwarf cleric her - pulling Bastard Swords and Docents and I could have filled two wizards spell books with scrolls but have received maybe 3 useful divine scrolls.

My favorite useless pull so far was a greater ooze bane shield. I can just see my guy putting all his weapons away pulling out the shield, casting divine power, turning on power attack and two handing it over his head onto the ooze - pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang, pwang - killed the ooze in two shots but kept on beating the floor in frustration over the loot tables.

Thank goodness for the pawn shops - I am embarassed to put any of this **** up at the AH due to its utter uselessness. At least at the pawn shops I get a bit better return.

[Entwhistle]

Bastard swords seem to be the new Cleric loot, I pulled one out of every chest in House D tower once and a more than probably amount in other quests. My recent favorite was the Black Loch, my human cleric was soloing it on elite to try for sigils or items and out of one of the end chest I pulled.....a +2 Docent and 600 gp. Somewhere there is a formula that shows why a 20th lvl guy doing a 9th lvl quest gets a 4th lvl item. There must be.