Time to change skiver to B2A?

[Donnie]

But would this not cheapen the effort all others expended to get theirs on toons?

And if this logic is valid of it not being top notch gear....then what about every other non epic btc item?

Sorry...it is just another easy button.

If all gear gets easy to get...like it seems you and others here are suggesting....it won't be much of a game.
Sorta like no child left behind sounds good...but really is just a race to the lowest common denominator....which is not a good thing. We need super hard to get and rare items. If the skiver was of little value no one would be asking for it bta. This alone I think proves it still needs to be a pain to get...so everyone doesn't have one..ya know like a Minos legions is now a must have item.


My $0.02

Is it really an easy button...or fixing ANOTHER broken DDO loot mechanic?

When you look at it, how many items on the list in necro are actually worth a ****? 2 or 3 maybe? All the rest of it is garbage comparitively...and will never be worth the time investment as is. Something needs to change or else it will be another DDO joke left over from the past.

I think it would be a mistake to hold onto a broken system just becasue a few items just happen to be worth it. There are plenty of items that I have grinded for that later got 'nerfed', I got over it, its not a good enough reason to hold on to this outdated implementation imo.

[Angelus_dead]

Skiver is one example of the ex-endgame items described in this thread:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=244439

The process of obtaining that item made sense when it was top-level gear from a top-level quest, but it no longer fits in comparison to higher-level equipment that's easier to get. It should be improved in availability by either changing the binding, increasing the drop rate of tome pages, or both.

(In addition, most of the other items in the tome pages reward list should be improved in their stats as well, especially the beastbane dagger and sunburst mace)

[rest]

I ground out a skiver on my sorc, and now it sits in the bank

I opted for a greenblade on my cleric, as it didn't seem to take as long. And when I TR him into a clonk, I'll have to graduate to either a blue dragonscale robe or the abbot necklace leaving my greenblade to wither away in the bank, much like my skiver on my sorc.

[Carpone]

Took me 140 Litany runs to get 6 pages, buying the 7th for 4 million gold, and trading 2 other pages 2:1 for the 8th to get my Skiver.

I'd rather Turbine make the pages BTC and increase the drop rate. 140 runs to craft an item is ********.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

The purpose of BtA is encouraging people to buy Adventure Packs (you can't buy Carnifex for your lowbie toon, you need Delera).
The purpose of BtC is multiplying the grind (you can't pass shiny tier 3 hp item to your new toon, you have to craft a new one).

Your examples are incorrect.

Carniflex is BtA.

And all my new characters are handed all the ingredients they need for their GS the very second they are ready for the shroud. One run through the vale quests to flag, and the only thing they need to 'grind' for are the 3/4 shards. I suppose that does mean they get them at L14 instead of L11-12, but not a big difference.

[TheJusticar]

Not a rant, not a flame, just a thought and I was wondering what others think.

Not gonna agree or disagree. I just want to point out how this highlights Turbine's complete lack of item planning. +5 magic weaps and +6 Items should've never been in the game until now (ML:18-20) The fact that had +6 items and +5 weaps back when level cap was level 10 shows that they didn't really have any long term item/weap planning in mind.

[Krag]

Your examples are incorrect.

Carniflex is BtA. Did I say otherwise?

And all my new characters are handed all the ingredients they need for their GS the very second they are ready for the shroud. One run through the vale quests to flag, and the only thing they need to 'grind' for are the 3/4 shards. I suppose that does mean they get them at L14 instead of L11-12, but not a big difference.

It does not matter whether you pulled ingredients on this particular toon, on his alt or baught it from AH. Either way you had to grind for new materials instead of passing existing item.

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[REALb0r3d]

Some items need to be BTC to prevent loot whoring, if you want a reevaluation of what is BTC and what is BTA you won't like some of the results.

Case and point is the grumbling of lack of epic tokens in the epic house D quest and the dev's choice to introduce token fragments and rebalancing tokens in other epics to include this mechanic.

[blitzschlag]

well, turbine are too lazy (or stupid?) to change former btc items, that got changed to bta, anyway.
so in the end the ppl who farmed several tomes already (for skiver or deathnip) get the shaft again. they can't pass the skiver they don't need on their barb incarnation to the wizard incarnation on a 2nd char or vice versa with the deathnip.

turbine: if you can't/won't change existing items, don't change anything at all.

[Comfortably]

Make all raid loots BTA, IMO.

Mmmmhhhmmm. No thanks.

[DemorusII]

Make all raid loots BTA, IMO.

If that happened no one would give up good raid loot. I.E A caster pulls madstone boots there is no way they would give them up. They would say oh I think I will roll a barb then the boots will just sit on a mule, where as a barb that was in that reavers would be useing them.

[Mellkor]

Skiver is awsome (still). I dont think you can get Archmagi anywhere else at level 14!

[fuzzy1guy]

Skiver..... Its value is what... from the magi and sp savings.
big deal. go collect 2-3 tome pages. sell those on the ah for insane price. turn around and buy pots.

You know how many pots just 3 of the more 'rare' tome pages will buy you? (i still havent burnt thru them all in a year now.) Let alone a full set of pages. That'd give more pots than you can ever need. Even at our now inflated prices.

Always seemed like a bad joke played on those people who think items = respect.

Altho if more people didn't want it... the prices on pages would go down.. that would be bad...

SKIVER ROCKS! YOU NEED ONE NOW!

[SynalonEtuul]

Do people actually buy those tome pages I see on the auction? I'm two pages away from Skiver and I'm still not paying those ludicrous prices.

[fuzzy1guy]

they sure do. lazy? rich? stupid? insane? idk...

But a few tome pages funded my pot addiction for a couple years to come. And i've still got a couple more pages floating around.