30 point build 18/2 drow rogue/monk

[Trillea]

Here is the build that I am thinking of reincarnating my exploiter ranger into in order to get better DPS through sneak attack, and maintain a high AC. I will have the past life ranger for the free barkskin, one of the only things that an 18/2 usually lacks in its final solo-buff build.

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Shhavarath Planetouched
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Drow Male
(2 Monk \ 18 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 246
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 24
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(30 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             11                    13
Dexterity            18                    30
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         11                    13
Wisdom               14                    16
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               8                    39
Bluff                 0                     1
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy             0                     1
Disable Device        4                    24
Haggle                0                     5
Heal                  2                     3
Hide                  4                    10
Intimidate            4                    24
Jump                  3                    28
Listen                2                     5
Move Silently         4                    10
Open Lock             8                    33
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                4                    28
Spot                  6                    30
Swim                  0                     1
Tumble                5                    17
Use Magic Device      4                    24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Warrior of the Wild


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Balance I
Enhancement: Rogue Balance II
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Search II
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble I
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

Let me know what you think!

[evilnatas]

looks good!

my experience with the acrobat II enhancement was pretty short lived. but doesnt it negate the need to put ranks into balance? i've always figured that with acrobat II you can dump the balance skill.

[Trillea]

looks good!

my experience with the acrobat II enhancement was pretty short lived. but doesnt it negate the need to put ranks into balance? i've always figured that with acrobat II you can dump the balance skill.

Mostly yes, but there are times that it comes in handy - like Titan raid, Weapons Shipment, or before you have Acrobat II..

[evilnatas]

cool, did not know that.

well then, if i were rolling this i'd dump balance . and beef up that tumble, or something else that would be used more often.

[Dark-Star]

Let me know what you think!

It pains me to say this, but the way they have created epic, AC adds little to no value in end game epic content, and there is only more to come.

Why go dex and AC instead of strength? Unless of course you are not planning on runnng epic stuff.

[Trillea]

It pains me to say this, but the way they have created epic, AC adds little to no value in end game epic content, and there is only more to come.

Why go dex and AC instead of strength? Unless of course you are not planning on runnng epic stuff.

A couple reasons:

First and foremost, I already have most of the best AC equipment in the game - chat ring, Icy, 8 armor bracers, +4 insight weapon. I won't let all that hard work go to waste.

Second I realize that AC is pretty much useless on epic but it is still highly valuable in Amrath, even on elite. With a high enough AC, intim, and knockdown immunity I will be very useful on any non-epic quest.

I run epic on my sorc, and she'll be my main epic farmer. I plan on using this guy for ingredient farming, and there's always the hope that AC will become relevant again someday. It seems to go through cycles of being relevant or not, so will most likely come around again. I am also leveling up a barb for max DPS so no matter what a group needs I can do it.

[Dark-Star]

Makes sense I guess, I also am hopeful that they make AC valuable on epic content at some point; current epic is very one dimensional. That said, not sure I would invest the time in the long TR road on a character I didn't plan to run in end game stuff.

If you do plan to just run the character in elite, I'd think that assasin 3 would be a lot more useful to a group than acrobat, especially with the changes to air eles.

Now what you could do, which is my plan for two ac builds I have, is to run to 20 going AC, then LR to str based at 20.

[unbongwah]

IMHO, if you're not going for an Assassin build with high INT (16), halflings make better rogues than drow: higher CON gives them a little more survivability; and SA & flanking bonuses give them a bit more DPS. Though drows do have a bit of a DPS advantage against SA-immune mobs with their higher STR & rapier bonuses.

Also, I would consider dropping monk 2 to grab rogue 19 for the extra d6 SA and bonus feat. So the feats I would take on a rogue 19 / monk 1 are Past Life (1), TWF (1), Finesse (3), Toughness (3), Past Life (6), ITWF (9), Imp Crit (12), GTWF (15), CE (18) plus your bonus rogue feats. If you do keep monk 2, I would take Power Attack instead of Dodge; alternatively, take fighter 1 for martial weapons + 12 HPs.

[GhoulsTouch]

Makes sense I guess, I also am hopeful that they make AC valuable on epic content at some point; current epic is very one dimensional. That said, not sure I would invest the time in the long TR road on a character I didn't plan to run in end game stuff.

If you do plan to just run the character in elite, I'd think that assasin 3 would be a lot more useful to a group than acrobat, especially with the changes to air eles.

Now what you could do, which is my plan for two ac builds I have, is to run to 20 going AC, then LR to str based at 20.

Because this game is overflowing with air elementals...
I mean people are running for their lives

[Trillea]

IMHO, if you're not going for an Assassin build with high INT (16), halflings make better rogues than drow: higher CON gives them a little more survivability; and SA & flanking bonuses give them a bit more DPS. Though drows do have a bit of a DPS advantage against SA-immune mobs with their higher STR & rapier bonuses.

Also, I would consider dropping monk 2 to grab rogue 19 for the extra d6 SA and bonus feat. So the feats I would take on a rogue 19 / monk 1 are Past Life (1), TWF (1), Finesse (3), Toughness (3), Past Life (6), ITWF (9), Imp Crit (12), GTWF (15), CE (18) plus your bonus rogue feats. If you do keep monk 2, I would take Power Attack instead of Dodge; alternatively, take fighter 1 for martial weapons + 12 HPs.

I heavily considered the halfling but the STR penalty made me have to spend 35 points to get everything that I wanted on a 34 point build. I wanted the flexibility to take power attack at endgame if I wanted, I would drop that dodge feat for it. I didn't consider the fighter level, thanks for the suggestion since it would only be a drop of 2 skill points for all martial weapons AND more HP, although I don't see how it's 12 more than a monk.