Sigh... getting bored of my Spellsinger Bard. Thinking Wizard.

[Zachski]

I mean, it's great and all, it was a blast, and I'm almost level 5 but...

it is getting a bit old for me now. I think I need a break from him without taking a break from the game.

I'm thinking something along the lines of an arcane caster. Unfortunately, I haven't had much patience with them before. I've only ever gotten one Sorc with Korthos, tried Arachnophobia, then quit that Sorc afterwards (in retrospect, I didn't realize Arachnophobia was such a pain for casters due to NO SHRINES. I ended up thinking it was the norm)

However... I'm actually leaning towards Wizard. Having the SP of a Sorc is nice, but really, Wizards have a lot of SP, too. After playing a Bard, ANYTHING seems like it would have more SP, lol. I could follow one of the Revised builds for Wizard, but they're all basically the same thing, minus different feats and enhancements.

However, some things.

1. Just because I want to play an arcane caster doesn't mean I'm doing it for the big DPS numbers or the nuking. In fact, there's this one game series I like, Quest for Glory, where the mage character's spell repertoire is 90% utility. I like using magic to do useful things. As such, even if I end up grabbing an Ember Greataxe and Master's Touching it, I'd still like spells I can actually use during those first levels. This is, of course, before I end up grabbing those scrolls to scribe.

2. I'd prefer to remain pure, of course.

3. I would prefer not to play Warforged, and I don't have Drow bought yet. Sure, Warforged are awesome, but I'm not Veteran yet, and that +1 Caster level robe helps quite a bit. I'd prefer elf, actually, due to them having some SP enhancements that'll make things a little easier for me. Yes, I know warforged can heal themselves. Yes, I know this is really handy. I'm not interested in a self-healing class, though.

4. Any other tips would be nice.

[DavionFuxa]

Tip - Play a character at least to level 6 or 7 so that you can get a prestige class or in the Wizards case, the Firewall. That goes for your Bard too but you can come back to play that later, a break is always fine.

Elf is fine for a Wizard. You should try rolling it and getting to level 7 to get a real feel for the class and it won't be until level 7 that you will really be able to inflict the DPS that Wizards get sought for anyway.

As a Wizard you should be fine with spells. Wizards can try out different spells as you probably know so you can just mix and match to learn about them. If you are looking to be useful to your party with magic, then just being a Spellcaster will require you to be - People will notice if they get Blur cast on them.

[Zachski]

Tip - Play a character at least to level 6 or 7 so that you can get a prestige class or in the Wizards case, the Firewall. That goes for your Bard too but you can come back to play that later, a break is always fine.

Elf is fine for a Wizard. You should try rolling it and getting to level 7 to get a real feel for the class and it won't be until level 7 that you will really be able to inflict the DPS that Wizards get sought for anyway.

As a Wizard you should be fine with spells. Wizards can try out different spells as you probably know so you can just mix and match to learn about them. If you are looking to be useful to your party with magic, then just being a Spellcaster will require you to be - People will notice if they get Blur cast on them.

It's taken me like... several days just to get to Bard level 4 (one rank away from level 5). I don't quite know all the tricks to level quickly yet :P

Hmm... oh, one thing. I do have Dragonmarks unlocked. Just unlocked them today after finally getting around to looking up how, lol. Should I take that into consideration?

[DavionFuxa]

It might makes sense on a Halfling Wizard as you will have some more self - healing ability, but I see less use for other Dragonmarks.

Even if you level slowly, you should still try and level a character up a fair bit before calling it quits on it. Sometimes a character you find initially weak can get stronger when you train it more. Spellcasters in particular are late bloomers anyhow.

[Zachski]

It might makes sense on a Halfling Wizard as you will have some more self - healing ability, but I see less use for other Dragonmarks.

Even if you level slowly, you should still try and level a character up a fair bit before calling it quits on it. Sometimes a character you find initially weak can get stronger when you train it more. Spellcasters in particular are late bloomers anyhow.

I've got ADHD, and it's a terrible habit I've had since I was creating characters on my older brother's Dark Age of Camelot account when I wasn't even a teenager yet.

The Spellsinger isn't WEAK, I just got bored of him for a bit. Not calling it quits, though.

[tihocan]

1. Just because I want to play an arcane caster doesn't mean I'm doing it for the big DPS numbers or the nuking. In fact, there's this one game series I like, Quest for Glory, where the mage character's spell repertoire is 90% utility.

You can focus on CC if you want. But you must keep in mind there are times when CC just doesn't help much and you'd be more helpful to your party actually killing stuff. The nice thing with a wizard is you get enough metamagic feats (and spell swapping opportunities) to be able to switch between damage, CC and insta-kill spells. That's why all "casting-oriented" wizards tend to be pretty similar in what they can do: they can do it all.
If you want something fancier, consider a rogue or melee splash. But if you're going to swing a weapon, Warforged makes it a lot easier.

[Zachski]

Okay, I just tried a Wizard out the "traditional" way of levelling up.

Slapping a great axe on him, casting Master's touch, and going to town on my enemies.

So far, I'm not impressed at all.

Where to start... first of all, I'm an elf who went 8 Str, 10 Dex, 14 Con, 18 Int, 10 Wis, and 8 Cha.

10 Wis was for the future. Will saves and all that.

However, the damage I'm dealing with a great axe is just... it feels weird.

I don't really know how else to describe it.

I'm missing pretty often (starting with 10 strength might fix that, but...), even with Master's touch, and the damage I'm dealing is... quite frankly, pathetic. I'm actually dealing 1 damage often enough.

I just don't see anyone doing this for two levels. Maybe if you had Bull's Strength potions, but I can't even afford inscription materials at my level, how would I afford bull's strength potions?

Not to mention I've heard some people actually recommending any class to do this regardless of the penalties of not having any greataxe proficiencies. That doesn't seem that good, unless you solo everything on casual.

Ah well, Wizard's slated for a reroll until I figure something out.

[Shishizaru]

Okay, I just tried a Wizard out the "traditional" way of levelling up.

Slapping a great axe on him, casting Master's touch, and going to town on my enemies.

So far, I'm not impressed at all.

Where to start... first of all, I'm an elf who went 8 Str, 10 Dex, 14 Con, 18 Int, 10 Wis, and 8 Cha.

10 Wis was for the future. Will saves and all that.

However, the damage I'm dealing with a great axe is just... it feels weird.

I don't really know how else to describe it.

I'm missing pretty often (starting with 10 strength might fix that, but...), even with Master's touch, and the damage I'm dealing is... quite frankly, pathetic. I'm actually dealing 1 damage often enough.

I just don't see anyone doing this for two levels. Maybe if you had Bull's Strength potions, but I can't even afford inscription materials at my level, how would I afford bull's strength potions?

Not to mention I've heard some people actually recommending any class to do this regardless of the penalties of not having any greataxe proficiencies. That doesn't seem that good, unless you solo everything on casual.

Ah well, Wizard's slated for a reroll until I figure something out.

You will get nailed with a lot of STR debuffs throughout the course of the game, so having more than the base 8 will also be helpful. I think it's more valuable than a +1 will save, but it's up to you mostly. A +2 whatever might help you mitigate some of your low STR and non-proficiency problems if you don't use Master's Touch. I believe those are ML 2.

Charm is an immensely powerful solo-ing tool, use it! Much easier to hit things when they aren't paying attention to you. If you're on Cannith, I can send you some stuff for the Bull's Strength no problem. Starting a caster is always a little rough (until that firewall comes around), but I think you'll enjoy it a lot once you get it.

[Zachski]

You will get nailed with a lot of STR debuffs throughout the course of the game, so having more than the base 8 will also be helpful. I think it's more valuable than a +1 will save, but it's up to you mostly. A +2 whatever might help you mitigate some of your low STR and non-proficiency problems if you don't use Master's Touch. I believe those are ML 2.

Charm is an immensely powerful solo-ing tool, use it! Much easier to hit things when they aren't paying attention to you. If you're on Cannith, I can send you some stuff for the Bull's Strength no problem. Starting a caster is always a little rough (until that firewall comes around), but I think you'll enjoy it a lot once you get it.

Ghallanda, actually.

And there's too many quests in Korthos that don't have "Persons" to charm. Or if they do, they require them to die anyways, often times just to get the next wave to come.

Harbor, though, is where Charm Person really gets useful.

Hell, on my Spellsinger, during the quest where you have to protect the big crate, I had a huge ARMY of Kobolds running around the place. The Cleric in the party is like "Stop! There's already a large group of them!" XD

EDIT: Okay, I'm considering other options besides Wizard. Such as maybe Cleric. Or Ranger (Tempest). Or maybe even a Mechanic Rogue for ***** and giggles.

[Daliyn]

+1 for the Quest for Glory reference. Loved this series

[tihocan]

Okay, I just tried a Wizard out the "traditional" way of levelling up.

Slapping a great axe on him, casting Master's touch, and going to town on my enemies.

So far, I'm not impressed at all.

It's not supposed to be impressive, but it should work (at least on normal difficulty in L1-2 quests). Bull's Strength you get at L3 with the spell you can cast yourself.

I don't understand why you would reroll because of this though. It's not like a Wiz with 8 Str is supposed to melee his way through the game, that's not the point of such a build in the first place. Meleeing is supposed to be just for convenience at lowest levels to solo some quests faster. If you want to melee, use a melee build

[DavionFuxa]

It is going to be slow for the first few levels on a Wizard or Sorcerer. If you can't handle that then you will probably want to try out the Tempest Ranger next (Cleric and Master Mechanic will probably not fit your criteria of play).

The other thing you could do is re-roll your wizard to have a higher starting strength. Usually I start all my characters with at least 12 strength to help negate ray of enfeeblement and other strength reducing ailments. But if you don't think you could handle getting your wizard through the Korthos stage, then you probably should go on to try Ranger.

[Zachski]

It's not supposed to be impressive, but it should work (at least on normal difficulty in L1-2 quests). Bull's Strength you get at L3 with the spell you can cast yourself.

I don't understand why you would reroll because of this though. It's not like a Wiz with 8 Str is supposed to melee his way through the game, that's not the point of such a build in the first place. Meleeing is supposed to be just for convenience at lowest levels to solo some quests faster. If you want to melee, use a melee build

You answered your own question. The reason I'm rerolling is that very last sentence :P

It is going to be slow for the first few levels on a Wizard or Sorcerer. If you can't handle that then you will probably want to try out the Tempest Ranger next (Cleric and Master Mechanic will probably not fit your criteria of play).

The other thing you could do is re-roll your wizard to have a higher starting strength. Usually I start all my characters with at least 12 strength to help negate ray of enfeeblement and other strength reducing ailments. But if you don't think you could handle getting your wizard through the Korthos stage, then you probably should go on to try Ranger.

Yeah, Ranger sounds like a good idea. Either way, they're the closest thing to druids this game has currently.

[Aerendil]

Couple of quick tips:

- SP will be in short supply whether you are Bard or Wizard. It's rough, especially in the early levels. Learn to use your casts to their best potential; shrine often; and carry mnemonic potions whenever you can. The Archivist set from Korthos also helps - it allows 2 casts per rest of SP-recovery (usually 20-25 SP per cast). Good for both Bard and Wizard (or any caster, really)

- melee. On a Wizard, you can melee for the first level or two, but I never really liked it. If you want to play truly "caster-like", get Summon Monster or get a hireling and let them do your work for you. You can sit back and nuke. Charm Monster also works wonders here.
On a Bard, don't forget you can melee just fine. Especially at early levels. I have a Spellsinger in his teens that can still melee quite well. Bard songs + bard spells will buff you over the top. And killing something with a weapon saves you SP!

Not quite sure what you want to do, to be honest, but might as well try out all of the classes and see which one you like. Do keep in mind, though, that classes early on sometimes differ greatly from their feel at end-game. Wizard, for example, is pretty rough going for the first few levels, but at 7+ change significantly. Cleric is the same around level 11ish if memory serves (blade barrier).