Sins of Attrition on Elite, 44 mins, Fleshy Wiz

[ddoer]

Seriously, I don't really think this is an achievement given that other people could do it in under 10 mins. I make the post only to help people to understand this quest is not hard to solo and has been solo'd by many people before.

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The quest was done on Jan 20th. Sins of Attrition on Elite, Acedia's Lute/
44 mins, 31+46 kills, 0 death, 0 pots, used a lot of heal scrolls (maybe up to 50). The insane trap damage bug was fixed at that time, and obviously, there is no epic gears nor eardweller.

I posted on my guild forum at that time and the following is a summary of my strategy:

This time, on elite, I mainly used mass charm monster and mass suggestion and let the mobs killing each others, and ran past some of the mobs and kill those that follow me to the rest shrines.

For the first part, I did energy drain and charmed one or more melees and start killing the mini-bosses, then run away leaving them fighting with each others. In the Saligia fight, I used the all the mobs in Saligia and also the next 2 batches of mobs to drop Saligia's HP, and then kill it myself with Polar Ray. Then I ran to the rest shrine in invisible and charm and wail to kill any mob that may disturb my rest. And then used the same tactic to clear to the next rest shrine (prisoner's rest shrine), and then completed optional, and back to the rest shrine to kill any remain mobs. The end fight is easy with a crit firewall (acid fog does little dmg) + DBF + Meteor Swam + Polar Ray + MM.

Notice that, on elite, if the optional is not done, I'll have to fight 8 or 9 Orthons (or get the help from 8-9 charmed Orthons) at the same time.

Yes, there is a hiring. But if you know the quest, you know it is not practical to use the hiring in any actual combat. I use the hiring mainly for rez (that didn't happen), and DV (probably used 2 rounds of DVs in that run)

Edited
In Nov 2010, My wiz is resp'd to Pale Master. Inspired by Tobril, I re-do the Sins elite solo run. It took 16 mins, 105 kills, used the first and last (prisoner) rest shrines.

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See #38 for details

[Sweyn]

Holy hotbar Paluza

[Zombiekenny]

I am noting the two earth elis and hezrou, which is good proof that this was done awhile back, and not since the update where summon changes were made. This places it before a point where a video could have been watched for strategy.

Well done.

[valorik]

I managed to solo it on my bard a while back on elite using a similar mass charm spam method, my bard isn't spell pen specced so I had to rely a lot on the mass suggestion song.

Took me a few tries as the traps would take me down in 2 shots and there were multiple traps that hit you 3-4 times a shot.

[knightgf]

I make the post only to help people to understand this quest is not hard to solo and has been solo'd by many people before.

Ah, well...getting me to solo that thing is like trying to get the best player in all of DDO:EU to solo The Shroud on elite.

It just doesn't happen.

[Goldeneye]

Well done.
Pretty funny hot-bars you got there :P

[Wyrmnax]

Silly.

I did it in 3 minutes.

It is how long it too for me to come back from the bathroom, turn around and exit the quest.


Nicely done. 0 SP pots is particularly nice, how did you manage to keep so much sp? Invis and run through?

[Shade]

Congrats.

I can see this is directly in reply to my thread where people made allot of interesting assumptions. Such as what I think about this quest.

Personally I agree with what you said and don't believe this quest is very hard if you avoid nearly all of the encounters by using alternate tactics like hirelings, stealth, charms, etc.

I do think it's very tough if you don't use invis/hireling/summons/kiting thru traps and actually try to kill every single monster along the way with your own attacks/spells. On any class, even a wizard or favored soul. Tho notable more difficult on some classes then others

Also it's notably more difficult to face the Horned Devil at his full strength, then the joke boss (bard)

It's all meta gaming tho. It's forcing a challenge upon yourself that you otherwise don't need to face. I could of easily done the quest with any pug healer with no resources, but I chose to make things difficult on myself on purpose, for hte challenge, And what I did was a challenge, that much is clear from my videos.

[Irinis]

Good to know a wizard isn't useless out in Amrath... you give me hope!

[Chai]

nom

I could solo PnP modules that were designed for full parties using one character as well after I ran them ten times or more in the past, if the DM agreed to play it by the book and change nothing.

You can find this sort of thing anywhere, in any MMO, any RPG, videogame etc. Its called metagaming.

It doesnt make the game unchallenging, or a joke. It just means the player has run the quest enough to understand everything about it, then formulated a strategy based apon this knowledge and the resources available to that toon to beat the quest.

In many cases its even harder to pull an entire PUG through the same quest than it is to solo it.

[Aspenor]

I could solo PnP modules that were designed for full parties using one character as well after I ran them ten times or more in the past, if the DM agreed to play it by the book and change nothing.

You can find this sort of thing anywhere, in any MMO, any RPG, videogame etc. Its called metagaming.

It doesnt make the game unchallenging, or a joke. It just means the player has run the quest enough to understand everything about it, then formulated a strategy based apon this knowledge and the resources available to that toon to beat the quest.

In many cases its even harder to pull an entire PUG through the same quest than it is to solo it.

Heh...I have solo'd PnP modules for 4-5 without any starting knowledge of the dungeon. It's amazing the things a wizard can do, even a low level one.

[Khelden]

I could solo PnP modules that were designed for full parties using one character as well after I ran them ten times or more in the past, if the DM agreed to play it by the book and change nothing.

You can find this sort of thing anywhere, in any MMO, any RPG, videogame etc. Its called metagaming.

It doesnt make the game unchallenging, or a joke. It just means the player has run the quest enough to understand everything about it, then formulated a strategy based apon this knowledge and the resources available to that toon to beat the quest.

In many cases its even harder to pull an entire PUG through the same quest than it is to solo it.

Yeah... I remember the last time I solo'd the LK, it was quite intense. Oh wait, that did not happen since it's impossible on regular servers =/

Oh and when I solo'd the demon dragon on RoM... Oh wait, ****. Did not happen either =(

Sorry but DDO is one of the very few games where everything can be solo'd.

As for the comment above, Shade is extremely geared and his video doesn't show him having an easy time at all. In the topic where he posted it, it was said many times that it was a piece of cake for Clr/FvS. Which I have no trouble believing seeing as how a friend of mine, not geared is doing 480dmg with BB, heals for 1200 etc.

[Eladiun]

Solo?!? That Misadventure guy did all the heavy lifting. :P

[Aspenor]

Yeah... I remember the last time I solo'd the LK, it was quite intense. Oh wait, that did not happen since it's impossible on regular servers =/

Oh and when I solo'd the demon dragon on RoM... Oh wait, ****. Did not happen either =(

Sorry but DDO is one of the very few games where everything can be solo'd.

As for the comment above, Shade is extremely geared and his video doesn't show him having an easy time at all. In the topic where he posted it, it was said many times that it was a piece of cake for Clr/FvS. Which I have no trouble believing seeing as how a friend of mine, not geared is doing 480dmg with BB, heals for 1200 etc.

I fail to see your point.

[Chai]

Yeah... I remember the last time I solo'd the LK, it was quite intense. Oh wait, that did not happen since it's impossible on regular servers =/

Oh and when I solo'd the demon dragon on RoM... Oh wait, ****. Did not happen either =(

Sorry but DDO is one of the very few games where everything can be solo'd.

As for the comment above, Shade is extremely geared and his video doesn't show him having an easy time at all. In the topic where he posted it, it was said many times that it was a piece of cake for Clr/FvS. Which I have no trouble believing seeing as how a friend of mine, not geared is doing 480dmg with BB, heals for 1200 etc.

You are comparing multi group high end 25 and 40 man raids in WOW to a 6 man group quest in DDO? LOL. apples and oranges....

Healing crits are more about feats than gear. So is amping damage on a spell.

Who soloed TOD? Harry on elite? Epic raids? This would be equivelent level of what you are referring to in the other game references you made. Not sins...

Yeah didnt think so....

Sins on elite is like Trakanon in EQ1 after having high end Planes of Power gear.

[Khelden]

You are comparing multi group high end 40 man raids in WOW to a 6 man group quest in DDO? LOL. apples and oranges....

Healing crits are more about feats than gear. So is amping damage on a spell.

Who soloed TOD? Harry on elite?

Yeah didnt think so....

Sins on elite is like Trakanon in EQ1 after having high end Planes of Power gear.

LK = 10 or 25, 40mans are long gone.
Demon Dragon = 12 man.

I've seen ADQ2 epic be solo'd on DDO... 12 vs 12 = Apple vs Apple, 12 vs 10 = Even worse.

Now it is Sins, however it still spoil alot of fun potential when you see how many people ran it easily. Then there is epic wizard king, then epic ADQ2. Why is this game a MMO if everything is to be solo'd anyway?

I fail to see your point.

My point is that this game should be made extremely harder, for everybody, any class. Less godmode possible. The guy can heal for 1200? Then he should DPS like a very weak badger, nothing comparable to a pure DPS.

[Aspenor]

LK = 10 or 25, 40mans are long gone.
Demon Dragon = 12 man.

I've seen ADQ2 epic be solo'd on DDO... 12 vs 12 = Apple vs Apple, 12 vs 10 = Even worse.

I still fail to see your point.

WoW is minimally about skill and more about button smashing, bodies, and staying awake through the boredom.

The fact that skilled players can do things in DDO that are impossible in WoW is a good thing.

[Khelden]

I still fail to see your point.

WoW is minimally about skill and more about button smashing, bodies, and staying awake through the boredom.

The fact that skilled players can do things in DDO that are impossible in WoW is a good thing.

Hum, tbh, I've yet to see something such as real "skills" on a video game. Twitching attack? Yeah right... Not even 1 day to get to know how to do it. WoW require group skills, coordination. Game like Guildwars are the most "skill"-based. But in DDO? Sorry but I strongly doubt it. Seems to be more a class & gear thing than skills.

[Aspenor]

Hum, tbh, I've yet to see something such as real "skills" on a video game. Twitching attack? Yeah right... Not even 1 day to get to know how to do it. WoW require group skills, coordination. Game like Guildwars are the most "skill"-based. But in DDO? Sorry but I strongly doubt it. Seems to be more a class & gear thing than skills.

It's too bad you feel that way. You obviously aren't paying attention.

[Chai]

LK = 10 or 25, 40mans are long gone.
Demon Dragon = 12 man.

I've seen ADQ2 epic be solo'd on DDO... 12 vs 12 = Apple vs Apple, 12 vs 10 = Even worse.

Now it is Sins, however it still spoil alot of fun potential when you see how many people ran it easily. Then there is epic wizard king, then epic ADQ2. Why is this game a MMO if everything is to be solo'd anyway?


My point is that this game should be made extremely harder, for everybody, any class. Less godmode possible. The guy can heal for 1200? Then he should DPS like a very weak badger, nothing comparable to a pure DPS.

Welcome to DnD - divine casters can fight. This isnt a healbot, tankbot, DPSbot game. There is no formula for how to run things.

In WOW priests wore cloth armor, but I still walked into a 3 -vs- 3 PVP and killed all 3 people in their by myself on a disc priest. Go Figure. And I could heal to full health in one spell.

I tend to think of WOW paladins as more being in line with DDO clerics and FvS.

Comparing WOW to DDO is apples and oranges. WOW is a game where if you are not in battle your toon regens hp and mana back to full in less than a minute between encounters. As this is not true in DDO, how then do you expect to make DDO much harder without demanding theat healers spend even more on expendible resources than they already do which is considerable.

You are also talking about a game (WOW) where you can solo all the way to max level by leaving your toon in the middle of a zone afk running an attack macro while you are asleep each night.

The raid content in WOW has people hitting the same 3 buttons constantly for 15 minutes at a time on longer fights to beat down mobs that have 14 million hp. It was all gear based. You either have the gear to do it or you dont. The same strat applies to every raid as far as the role your toon plays. Not true in DDO.

DDO is ALOT more strategy oriented, and as such, you can use strategy to solo content given the right resources and metagaming. Live with it. You already know the alternative....