So... I've been posting around the forums here and there always thinking about my True Reincarnation. It's the goal of my character as a weak 28 point build, and I've come up with some interesting ideas, and some terrible ideas.
This idea... is novelty. The ranger/cleric. The idea: Enough ranger to get greater two weapon fighting with tempest I and enough cleric to be able to raise dead, also acts as a buffer.
His spell list (had to enable ability point increase in order for it to list them all, strange bug but love the generator)Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Male (11 Ranger \ 9 Cleric) Hit Points: 312 Spell Points: 674 BAB: 17\17\22\27\27 Fortitude: 17 Reflex: 12 Will: 12 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Strength 18 22 22 Dexterity 11 13 14 Constitution 16 16 18 Intelligence 12 14 14 Wisdom 13 15 17 Charisma 6 6 6 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Balance 2 13 17 Bluff -2 -2 -2 Concentration 7 27 27 Diplomacy -2 -2 -2 Disable Device n/a n/a n/a Haggle -2 -2 -2 Heal 1 9 9 Hide 2 5 5 Intimidate -2 -2 0 Jump 8 16 16 Listen 1 3 3 Move Silently 2 12 12 Open Lock n/a n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 1 2 2 Search 1 2 4 Spot 5 23 23 Swim 4 6 6 Tumble 2 13 13 Use Magic Device 0 9 9 Level 1 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Ranger) Level 3 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Student of the Sword Level 4 (Cleric) Level 5 (Cleric) Level 6 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Level 7 (Cleric) Level 8 (Cleric) Level 9 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Dodge Level 10 (Cleric) Level 11 (Cleric) Level 12 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Mobility Level 13 (Ranger) Level 14 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Aberration Level 15 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack Level 16 (Ranger) Level 17 (Ranger) Level 18 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell Level 19 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider Level 20 (Ranger) Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack II Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II Enhancement: Dwarven Faith I Enhancement: Dwarven Faith II Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing II Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I Enhancement: Ranger Devotion I Enhancement: Ranger Devotion II Enhancement: Ranger Devotion III Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality III Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II
And his ranger spell list (also didn't show, another strange bug. Guess this build is that strange?)Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Male (11 Ranger \ 9 Cleric) Hit Points: 312 Spell Points: 674 BAB: 17\17\22\27\27 Fortitude: 17 Reflex: 12 Will: 12 Level 1 (Ranger) Level 2 (Ranger) Level 3 (Cleric) Spell (1): Bane Spell (1): Bless Spell (1): Cause Fear Spell (1): Command Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds Spell (1): Divine Favor Spell (1): Doom Spell (1): Inflict Light Wounds Spell (1): Nightshield Spell (1): Nimbus of Light Spell (1): Obscuring Mist Spell (1): Protection From Evil Spell (1): Remove Fear Spell (1): Shield of Faith Spell (1): Summon Monster I Level 4 (Cleric) Ability Raise: STR Level 5 (Cleric) Spell (2): Aid Spell (2): Bear's Endurance Spell (2): Bull's Strength Spell (2): Close Wounds Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds Spell (2): Deific Vengance Spell (2): Eagle's Spendor Spell (2): Find Traps Spell (2): Hold Person Spell (2): Inflict Moderate Wounds Spell (2): Lesser Restoration Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom Spell (2): Remove Paralysis Spell (2): Resist Energy Spell (2): Seek Eternal Rest Spell (2): Soundburst Spell (2): Spawn Screen Spell (2): Summon Monster II Level 6 (Cleric) Level 7 (Cleric) Spell (3): Bestow Curse Spell (3): Blindness Spell (3): Contagion Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds Spell (3): Dispel Magic Spell (3): Glyph of Warding Spell (3): Inflict Serious Wounds Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil Spell (3): Mass Aid Spell (3): Prayer Spell (3): Protection From Energy Spell (3): Remove Blindness Spell (3): Remove Curse Spell (3): Remove Disease Spell (3): Searing Light Spell (3): Summon Monster III Spell (3): Water Breathing Level 8 (Cleric) Ability Raise: STR Level 9 (Cleric) Spell (4): Chaos Hammer Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds Spell (4): Deathward Spell (4): Dismissal Spell (4): Divine Power Spell (4): Freedom of Movement Spell (4): Holy Smite Spell (4): Inflict Critical Wounds Spell (4): Mass Shield of Faith Spell (4): Neutralize Poison Spell (4): Order's Wrath Spell (4): Panacea Spell (4): Poison Spell (4): Recitation Spell (4): Restoration Spell (4): Summon Monster IV Spell (4): Symbol of Flame Spell (4): Unholy Blight Level 10 (Cleric) Level 11 (Cleric) Spell (5): Break Enchantment Spell (5): Flame Strike Spell (5): Greater Command Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds Spell (5): Mass Inflict Light Wounds Spell (5): Protection From Elements Spell (5): Raise Dead Spell (5): Slay Living Spell (5): Spell Resistance Spell (5): Stalwart Pact Spell (5): Summon Monster V Spell (5): Symbol of Pain Spell (5): True Seeing Level 12 (Ranger) Ability Raise: STR Level 13 (Ranger) Level 14 (Ranger) Level 15 (Ranger) Level 16 (Ranger) Level 17 (Ranger) Level 18 (Ranger) Level 19 (Ranger) Level 20 (Ranger) Ability Raise: STR
Guessing I'd take Ram's Might, Tumble and Jump for my first level spells. Bark's skin, Protection from Energy, and Snare for my second level spells. Wild Instincts as my third level spell
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 1 (Ranger) Level 2 (Ranger) Level 3 (Ranger) Level 4 (Ranger) Spell (1): Camouflage Spell (1): Jump Spell (1): Longstrider Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing Spell (1): Ram's Might Spell (1): Resist Energy Spell (1): Summon Nature's Ally I Spell (1): Tumble Level 5 (Ranger) Level 6 (Ranger) Level 7 (Ranger) Level 8 (Ranger) Spell (2): Barkskin Spell (2): Bear's Endurance Spell (2): Cat's Grace Spell (2): Cure Light Wounds Spell (2): Hold Animal Spell (2): Mass Camouflage Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom Spell (2): Protection From Energy Spell (2): Snare Spell (2): Spike Growth Spell (2): Summon Nature's Ally II Level 9 (Ranger) Level 10 (Ranger) Level 11 (Ranger) Spell (3): Cure Moderate Wounds Spell (3): Neutralize Poison Spell (3): Remove Disease Spell (3): Summon Nature's Ally III Spell (3): Wild Instincts
The first time I tried this build I completely left out the tempest... and I'm thinking I might have preferred it that way. It allows you to bottom out the dex and saves you 3 feats for more spell casting, or melee, or both.
With his skills I tried to get a good use magic device, but with such a low charisma it'd seem like allot of work to UMD very much. If I didn't do UMD it'd free up 18 skill points for a little more hide and more move silently, and that's what I'd probably do.
On his enhancements I took allot of divine vitality to hand more SP to the real cleric in the group. Didn't sacrifice much to hit at all in my opinion, and with divine power and TR fighter boost I'll have a 20+4 BAB I believe.
For the most part this character's job would be to simply buff, use divine power when needed, hit things hopefully with a debuffing weapon and/or trip, mass cure light wounds during battle (which makes me wish I could fit quicken in there), give divine vitality to the real spellcasters, raise the dead, cure status and save the real spellcasters SP.
Overall I have to say he'd be a friendly melee to have around. This build would be hard to pull off without 34 points imo, and hard to pull off without the tomes. In fact this build would be hard to pull off period. No offense to any paladins are bards out there, but in some ways I think this is what you'd like to be able to do.
Anyway, feel free to have a hard time on me about this one. I know an 11/9 split is strange. I can take it. Being constructive would be nice.
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Summon Monster and Summon Nature's Ally can work at the same time?
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Thread: Dwarven Melee Raid Saver
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04-19-2010, 04:18 AM #1Community Member
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Dwarven Melee Raid Saver
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04-19-2010, 04:41 AM #2Community Member
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Please do not build this with a TRed toon....you would regret it.
If you want to raise dead...craft a raise dead clickie from the shroud. Also a lotta people can UMD raise dead scrolls. Either pick DPS or support. You are kinda doing both...poorly.
I would consider maybe playing a FVS (either a WF greatsword user or a dual-wielder) or a BRD (look up axesinger) if you want to melee and buff, self-heal, heal.
If you have your heart set on this...make it first without TRing. Use a normal toon. Then can see deficiencies and fix them or avoid them.
The TR grind can be rough, and it would be a shame to TR a toon and essentially "waste" them on a project.
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As Bacab said, there are raise dead clickies, so there's no real need for 9 levels of cleric for access to raise dead.
By going 11 ranger, you'll lose access to the higher tiers of Barkskin and Tempest.
By going 9 cleric, you'll lose access to Heal, the single most useful healing spell available.
The main benefit of primary spellcasters are their highest-level spells. With 9-11 levels of such a class you're giving up most of their power. I think you might be better off with a UMD-capable character. By splashing rogue you should be able to get your UMD high enough for Raise Dead scrolls. Or go bard with some melee. But this looks like a bad idea.
Edit: just saw your question about summon.
Not sure about that. As far as the Devs' statements are concerned, Summon Monster and Summon Nature's Ally shouldn't be active at the same time. But I don't have a toon where I have both spells...Last edited by Danmor; 04-19-2010 at 04:58 AM.
Everybody's got the right to be stupid, some just abuse the privilege.
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04-19-2010, 05:06 AM #4Community Member
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I can see this as primarily melee at high levels with some enhanced healing & buffing capabilities for soloing - at low level especially you'll be a valuable back-up support as well as able to hold your own in a fight... should be capable though not the most uber build around, and missing out on Heal will hurt.
TR'ing presumably to allow you to boost the to-hit, but you'll be able to cast Divine Power later on too for help with that & with the decent equipment I assume you already have (if not, try to get some more raid gear or a good greensteel item plus start banking a few nice low-level items before making) that'll give you enough of an edge to be feasible without as much grinding
Overall, though some people wouldnt "get" it as much, I'd be happy to run with a capable player set up like this.Last edited by FuzzyDuck81; 04-19-2010 at 05:09 AM.
I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was, now what's it is weird and scary to me.
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I actually expected the responses to be much worse. I am glad someone gets it though. I'm looking over the Axesinger right now, and I'm going to do a comparison and post it here. Apples to oranges? Not so much in my opinion. They are different but certain key things remain the same.
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04-19-2010, 04:22 PM #6Build Constructionist
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At first glance, this doesn't seem like a good idea. Getting GTWF for free is nice, but not worth sacrificing 5 levels of cleric, IMHO. I also can't figure out why you went with INT 12; do you really need all those skill points?
Then again, I've been trying to come up with a ranger 6 / monk 2 / FvS (or cleric) 12 build I like - melee-focused but with enough divine spells to function as a backup healer/buffer - so who am to criticize the crazy in others' builds? :-)
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04-19-2010, 05:22 PM #7Community Member
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Honestly all melee's have to realize that they are expendable. A group often needs a tank, and the rest could happily be casters, they are just plain more useful and powerful.
In response to your Intelligence of 12 question, you are right, I could probably do without it. Having some skills would be nice, as in the current life I have 1 skill, intimidate, and that is IT.
Now I give you, the reincarnated axesinger.
In comparison it's tough on the ability points in my opinion with charisma weighing the dwarf down. The "crazy" ranger/cleric build comes out with better saves, hit points, base attack bonus, attack haste, much more spell points, divine vitality being maxed counts as a benefit to me, and spell feats. The axesinger comes out with better skills, better buffs, songs, and is genuinely more useful. I may just move points out of intelligence to get max strength, but for the current I do like his skills.Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Male (2 Fighter \ 3 Rogue \ 15 Bard) Hit Points: 290 Spell Points: 488 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 13 Reflex: 16 Will: 12 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 22 Dexterity 15 18 Constitution 16 18 Intelligence 12 14 Wisdom 8 8 Charisma 12 15 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 6 18 Bluff 1 2 Concentration 3 14 Diplomacy 1 2 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle 5 25 Heal -1 -1 Hide 2 4 Intimidate 5 27 Jump 7 16 Listen -1 -1 Move Silently 2 4 Open Lock 6 15 Perform n/a 25 Repair 1 2 Search 5 8 Spot 3 3 Swim 3 6 Tumble 6 24 Use Magic Device 5 25 Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Level 3 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Level 4 (Bard) Level 5 (Bard) Level 6 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality Level 7 (Rogue) Level 8 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 9 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 10 (Bard) Level 11 (Bard) Level 12 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Student of the Sword Level 13 (Bard) Level 14 (Bard) Level 15 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Bard) Level 17 (Bard) Level 18 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Level 19 (Bard) Level 20 (Rogue) Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack II Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II Enhancement: Bard Charisma I Enhancement: Bard Charisma II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I
Honestly it's a bit of a tough choice, the one thing that would really sink my 11/9 split is the fact that it's considered crazy. Getting into groups could be very tough. It's hard to swallow being forced to become one of the herd on every build I've made. Originality is not really respected in game, but I can understand that certain things feel gimped. I'll probably go with some version of the axesinger.
Thanks for all the help.
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04-20-2010, 02:44 AM #8Community Member
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you will love your Axesinger. Also having haste that you cast and displacement...its a really fun build and solos very well. Also you will get into Raids as a Warchanter. The 11/9 split would struggle to get into parties IMHO. I do think the 11/9 could be fun to solo with, but it just would not bring much to the table in a group. While the Axesinger can trapmonkey, heal, buff, sing and DPS and even Crowd Control.
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04-20-2010, 10:32 AM #9Build Constructionist
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The game mechanics really penalize spellcasters who take more than a splash of other classes. Bards seem to be the only ones who can get away with heavy multiclassing, perhaps because they aren't considered primarily spellcasters; and even they are usually expected to be at least bard 14 for near-max Inspire Courage. Originally Posted by donotdirect1
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Heh, I hear ya there. I'm convinced I can make a Drow 12FvS/8Sorc of doom!!! Firewall, BB, and heals all maxed and empowered..doom I say..DOOM!!! Originally Posted by unbongwah
Buff Rock, nerf Paper, Scissors is fine.
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To be a bit more specific about the Raise Dead aspect of your build..
Raise Dead is absolutely worthless (or next to it) in a battle. You need Resurrection or far more preferably, True Resurrection to be anything reliable. Raise Dead in the midst of the heat just results in a double death. If it doesnt, the guy just got lucky, or the fight wasnt that bad to begin with and he probably shouldnt have died in the first place.
And of course, if you are raising after the fight, well then you have already won, and the spell is more of a convenience utility rather than a tool for the battle.
Obviously, there are times when some guy who is ranging can toss in a quicky raise and it saves the day, but its nothing you want to center your build around.
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04-20-2010, 08:38 PM #12Community Member
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True enough that the raise dead aspect alone isn't enough to do that build. But he is actually very layered at lower than epic dungeons. If raise dead were the only thing he could do well he'd be pretty useless. Instead he does quite a few things, extended buffs, gives real spell caster SP, big spell point pool due to wisdom as both casting stat, quite a few selectable spells, while being enough melee focused to hit most of the time and have a nice hit point pool. The race also helps along the idea of a "last man standing" swaggering at more hit points, and to hit than other races. Just because you don't "get it" doesn't mean that it couldn't work.
Never the less I'll not try to do that split again.
This may be my version of the axesinger, he's a bit more skilled. Max skilled in Intimidate, Use Magic Device, Open Lock, Haggle and Perform. 10 ranks in the following skills: Balance, Concentration, Jump, and Tumble. Didn't do traps, if I could stand it I'd drop haggle but I really want to make more money in my second life, and I don't think I want to make a bard of any other race.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Male (2 Fighter \ 3 Rogue \ 15 Bard) Hit Points: 310 Spell Points: 512 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 14 Reflex: 16 Will: 13 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 24 Dexterity 15 18 Constitution 15 20 Intelligence 13 16 Wisdom 8 10 Charisma 12 16 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11 +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11 +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 6 18 Bluff 1 3 Concentration 2 15 Diplomacy 1 3 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle 5 26 Heal -1 0 Hide 2 4 Intimidate 5 28 Jump 7 17 Listen -1 0 Move Silently 2 4 Open Lock 6 26 Perform n/a 26 Repair 1 3 Search 5 9 Spot 3 4 Swim 3 7 Tumble 6 16 Use Magic Device 5 26 Level 1 (Rogue)[/B] Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Level 3 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Level 4 (Bard) Level 5 (Bard) Level 6 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality Level 7 (Rogue) Level 8 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 9 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 10 (Bard) Level 11 (Bard) Level 12 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Student of the Sword Level 13 (Bard) Level 14 (Bard) Level 15 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Bard) Level 17 (Bard) Level 18 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Level 19 (Bard) Level 20 (Rogue) Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack II Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II Enhancement: Bard Charisma I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II Enhancement: Bard Wand Heightening I Enhancement: Bard Wand Heightening II
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Compared to a pure cleric, a ranger 11 / cleric 9 would have half the SPs, buffs would last half as long for the same amount of SPs (so you burn thru half a pool of mana twice as fast as a pure caster), and would lack all the higher-level heals & buffs like Heal & Mass Restoration; meanwhile you'd have the same amount of HPs (both rangers & clerics are d8 classes) and Divine Power would make the difference in BAB irrelevant most of the time (which is only a 2-point difference in the first place, if I'm doing my math right). Sure, you'd have a goodly number of combat feats from ranger, but at endgame people want specialists, not watered-down hybrids. Originally Posted by donotdirect1
I empathize with the desire to make warrior / caster hybrids - like I said, I'm trying to come up with a FvS 12 melee-focused build I like - but neither the game mechanics nor the players favor them. As boring as they are build-wise, a plain-ol' battle cleric makes more sense.
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Hey donot,
A few points about bards and my crazy class split. A bard with all four ranks of Wand/Scroll Mastery can heal for 192 points with a heal or reconstruct scroll. Higher if the target has any kind of healing amplification for class, gear, or equipment. I have a guildie who runs a monk. I think I hit him for about 330pts from a scroll. Another ranger has just the leviks bracers out of the hound with 20% healing amp and I was healing him last night for 225 per scroll. I can also use mass cure...bah, is it lights or moderates scrolls? Can't remember off hand. Regardless, the highest you can buy. Those do about 40pts of healing to everyone in the group per scroll. Nice to top the group off. A bard with 16 levels gets access to mass cure moderates in their spell book and combined with metamagics can reach group heals in the 100s. Some bards raid heal this way. This type of healing does assume you have the resources to buy the scrolls, except for the mass cure moderate at bard level 16 of course (such as a 16bard/2ftr/2rog). And with a high enough umd you can use scrolls of Raise Dead and Resurrection.
Here's the thread I posted the stats on my wonky 12bard/6rgr/2rog:
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...6&postcount=28
Here's another where the ups and downs are being discussed:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=244464Last edited by Humperdink; 04-21-2010 at 05:58 PM.
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11Cleric / 7Ranger / 2Monk
Here is the answer. The ultimate raid saver. But it's based on halfling.
I have seen this build save the Shroud pt 4 and 5 with weak pug groups taking Harry down more than 50% by himself.
it's an odd build that just simply works. Forget most of the forum responses that focus on min/max builds and play one that is a blast!
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...princess+build
A bit of a hybrid between a clermonk and Westside.
11Cleric / 7Ranger / 2Monk
430 hps / 980 sp
31 fort - 36 reflex - 30 will (GH + Haste)
11 str (+7 ravager ring, +2 tome) = 20 (rams 22)
18 dex (+5 levels, +4 enhancements, +5 spectral gloves, +2 ravager ring, +2 tome) = 36
14 con (+6, +2 tome) = 22
11 int (+2 tome) = 13
15 wis (+3 enhancements, +1 exceptional, +2 tome) = 27
8 cha (+2 tome) = 10
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1 rgr dodge
2 cleric
3 monk finesse extend
4 monk mobility
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6 rgr sp at
7 cleric
8 cleric
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11 cleric
12 rgr icp
13 rgr
14 cleric
15 cleric gtwf
16 cleric
17 cleric
18 cleric quicken
19 cleric
20 ranger
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size 1 1 1 1
shield 4 4 4 2
chatter 3 3 3
prot 5 5 5 5
dodge 1 1 1 1
ce 5 5 5 5
chaosguard
icy raiment 5 5 5 5
haste 1 1 1
recitation 2 2 2
bard song 4
tumble 4
insight 4 4 4 4
heroic companion 3
paladin aura 5
ocean stance 1
ocean tumble 2
favored enemy 2 2 2 2
stat pots 4
73 78 105 70
Built as a highly self-sufficient melee / soloing build. Dps is okay with currently min2 kukri offhand and lightning strike rapier main hand and ravager set. Not as good dps as a lot of builds obviously, but good enough.
My only gripe is no room for Toughness feat. If the level cap ever goes up, this build would shine even more with 11clr/10rgr/1monk for extra FE and all that.
Tons of fun to play, and suits my playstyle very well of a self-suficient solo-capable character. Lots of grinding for loot is needed to make this build shine though, I'm still not done (couple more shroud items, chattering ring, and epic upgrades are some of my current targets). Clearly not a capable healer by any means unless it's single target healing, and even then I prefer not to heal others in most situations so I can keep dps and CE going.Last edited by redraider; 04-21-2010 at 06:09 PM.
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04-21-2010, 06:21 PM #16Community Member
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Not sure what you mean by "Dwarven Melee Raid Saver"... are you saying you want a build who can save the raid when everything starts to go to h*ll all at once?
Stryde is an example of the 11 Cleric/6 Ranger/3 Monk, but he gets turned down from PUG quests/raids an awful lot... which is kinda the point of his build, actually. But just keep in mind that you have to be IN the raid to be able to save it later on..."I require a reminder as to why raining arcane destruction is not an appropriate response to all of life's indignities" - Vaarsuvius, OoTS #674
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04-21-2010, 06:27 PM #17Community Member
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lol good point Gemstone. With whacky alternative builds you should always be ready to explain in a quick synopsis what your build can do or perhaps be willing to solo the given quest. Or rely on guildies. Originally Posted by Phidius
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04-22-2010, 03:38 PM #18Community Member
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Wow, got allot of responses on this. One of my main goals when I started this thread was making a toon that was capable at melee, could raise dead on his own, and could give Divine Vitality to real casters. For the most part that just makes him a walking SP pot and free raise dead. He turned out... mediocre, but honestly one of the worst parts of the build was the fact that I had to wait till lv 20 to be able to do everything I wanted it to do. Even my guild, who enjoys my play style of melee crowd control rager probably would be disappointed to have him along for a good while.
Thanks for all your notes about bards and clerics, but I think I'm quite happy with my skilled version of the axesinger. Thanks to making the build out of a true reincarnate I don't have to fret over constitution or intelligence and end up with a nice mix all around. If for some reason I do change my mind about that very last level of rogue and get one more of bard it really doesn't change up the build that much. So now I'm looking for gear to use and sending it to my alt to store for now.
Humperdink, checked out the threads you listed and there is allot of screaming about disable device. Are they really going to expect my axesinger to do traps? I could probably make room for it but would prefer not to. Locks and all manner of UMD (which becomes easier thanks to the haggle) sounds good to me.
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04-26-2010, 03:30 AM #19Community Member
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I would take all the posts about trap-smithing (which includes disable device) with a grain of salt. While it would certainly be viable for a bard build with 2 to 3 levels of rogue to do that in a lot of cases, there are potentially trade offs that have to be made in your initial stat spread and your skill points you spend. And a lot of it needs to be augmented with gear. Having 2 levels of rogue in my opinion doesn't automatically mean you should be able to show up and do all traps. Since I had other goals with my bard build, I chose to only put points into Open Lock as it was based off of a stat I already had which was kinda high (24 Dex) and all it cost was 1 skill point per level and a +13/+15 item. When combined with Greater Heroism, Voice of the Master, Focusing Chant, and +13/+15 item you should be able to open most any locked door or chest. Besides, with 2 levels of rogue and evasion you can get through the trap with the party's soulstones in your bag and raise them from the dead on the other side with UMD and scrolls.
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