The Archon v2 (12Fighter/6Barb/2Rogue)

[ragwa1]

Quick questions here just to clarify:
How many rages do you have and how long does each last?
How many power surges do you have?
Finally, do you often see yourself running out of those temporary boosts in quests?
Thank you for your time.

9-11 power surges/hastes.
5 rages.
Unlimited frenzy.

I don't see a problem here.

[drwranck]

bumb as it is a very good build

any HOrc conversion??? i like the Blitz idea, but HOrcs are well suited to 2hf

[Aeolwind]

I love it when people list a pile of +3 tomes, a litany, a +7 item, and madstone like these are common, easy to acquire items that most everyone has just hangin out in their bank. Funny.

I generally just ignore that stuff, modify stats for even numbers.

None of these builds are built with anything other than a small portion (now) of the player base in mind when it comes to gear. They are viable however in some cases to newer players. A good build, is still a good build. It may require enhancement modifications & feat variation slightly to manage the difference, but in most cases they'll still outperform a stock class. DDO: Where the sum of the parts is greater than the whole.

[Setin_Myways]

I tr -ed into this build and I was wondering if it is worth it to fit in the 3rd lvl past life feat? sorry for double post, but this build seems ot have many threads about it.

As a noob, my assumption is the standard mo of this build is to get the best stunning maul you can find and beat to stun something, then swap to your great axe for the auto crit. Am I on the right path or still need to wipe off some noobsause?

[unbongwah]

any HOrc conversion??? i like the Blitz idea, but HOrcs are well suited to 2hf

Since I didn't see anyone post one, I decided to try to come up with my own. What I have so far:

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HO Archon Variant
Level 20 True Neutral Half-Orc Female
(12 Fighter \ 6 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 326
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 10
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             20                    30
Dexterity            12                    12
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              6                     6

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 14 (Fighter)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Kensei Maul Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Maul Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Maul Specialization I
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost III
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Orcish Power Rage I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

Apart from the race change, a couple of tweaks based on my personal preferences:

• More INT for extra skill pts; had to sacrifice WIS though. [Could also sacrifice DEX instead.]
• Took barb 1 sooner for run speed boost and +1 barb PA enh early; delays a couple of feats by 1 lvl.

My only concern is I run out of enh pts way before I run out of things to spend them on, so I can't make up my mind where to put some of them. E.g., GWA for more glancing blows; or more Power Rage or PA enhs for more raw DPS? So hard to choose!

[Quikster]

Since I didn't see anyone post one, I decided to try to come up with my own. What I have so far:

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HO Archon Variant
Level 20 True Neutral Half-Orc Female
(12 Fighter \ 6 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 326
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 10
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             20                    30
Dexterity            12                    12
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              6                     6

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 14 (Fighter)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Kensei Maul Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Maul Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Maul Specialization I
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost III
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Orcish Power Rage I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

Apart from the race change, a couple of tweaks based on my personal preferences:

• More INT for extra skill pts; had to sacrifice WIS though. [Could also sacrifice DEX instead.]
• Took barb 1 sooner for run speed boost and +1 barb PA enh early; delays a couple of feats by 1 lvl.

My only concern is I run out of enh pts way before I run out of things to spend them on, so I can't make up my mind where to put some of them. E.g., GWA for more glancing blows; or more Power Rage or PA enhs for more raw DPS? So hard to choose!

I didnt take str III, amptitude or extra rages on mine.

[Jhaeran]

Relatively new player. I had a 12F/7Ro/1Ra that I brought up to 20 and was going to LR into this build. Screwed up during the LR and didn't change alignment, so couldn't pick up barb and now at 15F/5Ro and will switch to 18F/2Ro. Anyway, aside from that current annoyance. Even though its my only 20, I was thinking of TR'ing into this build. Made the char and was looking for a place to post it and came across this post.

WF is nice, not my fav
Horc is great, but didn't really like the neg to skill
Picked dwarf due to liking the hp. Although enhancements are a killer...didn't take a lot of what I'd like. I have an SoS, but haven't had any luck attempting to epicize it yet, only been playing for a couple months.

Not familiar at all with the barb enhancements - but figured I'd be running mostly in rage/powersurge/haste so attempted to focus there. +2 rage str/con via enhance, +50% duration. Didn't focus much at all around will saves/spell defense even though the enhancements are avail(+will during rage, dwarf spell resist). One thing I really didn't like was not having the points to focus on stunning blow - worth dropping some stat enhancements for it? (+3str, +4con = 24AP pts)

Thoughts on build?

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TR1_12F6Bb2R 
Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Male
(12 Fighter \ 6 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 468
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 12
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    28
Dexterity            14                    16
Constitution         18                    24
Intelligence         10                    12
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              6                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    21
Bluff                -2                     1
Concentration         4                     9
Diplomacy            -2                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                    -1
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate            2                    24
Jump                  8                    14
Listen                3                     4
Move Silently         4                     5
Open Lock             6                     7
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                0                     3
Spot                  3                     4
Swim                  4                     9
Tumble                3                     4
Use Magic Device      2                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Barbarian)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
Enhancement: Kensei Greatsword Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Greatsword Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Greatsword Specialization I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

[unbongwah]

Screwed up during the LR and didn't change alignment

Bit of a tangent, but FYI: you can't change alignment with LR or GR; you have to buy an alignment change separately.

[shadowspeaker]

How is the build working now?

[Quikster]

How is the build working now?

My half orc version is great. I do have a ton of gear, barb/paly past life and some +3 tomes, but I imagine it works well without some of that as well.

[dasomdas]

why for wisdom?

[AndyD47]

I don't know why you dump your dex for wis instead of going TWF, though. You get double the chance to stun.

You get one chance at stunning,bear in mind we have a new animation for stuns.

If you can hit a high enough DC for stunning blow you don't need a stunning weapon,leaves you open to either use a big two hander to take advantage of such a high str or saves you from swapping weapons a lot if you use twf.