When an Epic Scroll Drops...

[Bacab]

Actually, with a good group it is fairly easy, and our group was great. The point is the cleric is greedy, i have been in other runs with him that he rolls on things that are completly useless to his class. The scroll could have been used well, instead of sitting in someone's ingred. bag for 6 months

Question(s)...

If a scroll for an Epic Torc dropped would you loot it?

If a scroll for an Epic Chaos Blade dropped, and you were a 2HF would you loot it?

If you answered yes to either question...you are guilty of what you are accusing this CLR of.

If you answered no, then you play by the "loot what you can use" logic. Both are indeed acceptable.

Though kudos to you for having people roll on things rather than it being a free for all. BTW, what if his plan was to sell the epic bloodstone scroll and BUY a Epic Torc Scroll with the money...is that still greedy?

Also I typically use my FVS to run epic (hes my best geared toon), but I use him to help gear up my melee(s). Maybe this guy does the same. Maybe he has a Barb that he can't wait to put an epic bloodstone on?

[cheever77]

As a cleric who rolls on scrolls in Epic it becomes easy for me.

Let me roll on scrolls wether you think I need or not or go heal your ****ing self mate!!!!!
For the record I was not the healer in question. I have 2 high level healers 1 @20 FVS @19.
Both when doing epic will be rolling on bloodstone/spectrals/firestorm scrolls. Like it or not I actually have 4 mellee toons in the midst of leveling to 20.

Don't like my attitude np find yourself another healer.

You take that attitude of healers not rolling on scrolls you had best be rolling one up yourself to do epic with as that is the only healer your likely to see!

[HumanJHawkins]

If you are a cleric trying to do epic and can't afford your own resources I don't want you.<CUT>

I never ask for resources on my cleric. But I also feel entitled to my fair share of any loot.

If a bloodstone scroll drops and it's up for roll, I don't see why I shouldn't roll on it. Even if my plan were to trade it for a boot ingredient so I could run ToD, for example.

If I can improve my toon by taking the scroll as much as you can improve your toon, why shouldn't I roll on it? And why does it matter if my way of improving my toon is to make a trade that gets me some rare item I have been wanting forever?

[Aussieee]

I never ask for resources on my cleric. But I also feel entitled to my fair share of any loot.

If a bloodstone scroll drops and it's up for roll, I don't see why I shouldn't roll on it. Even if my plan were to trade it for a boot ingredient so I could run ToD, for example.

If I can improve my toon by taking the scroll as much as you can improve your toon, why shouldn't I roll on it? And why does it matter if my way of improving my toon is to make a trade that gets me some rare item I have been wanting forever?

As far as i remember my post I said if you help in the quest you have the right to roll on any of the scrolls.

I think Sowen put out his post wrong and forgot to put the part where said cleric never picked up the scoll and it got wasted......

[vVAnjilaVv]

Hmmm...you know there are two sides to this coin....considering 80% if not more of the melees I run with do not even consider reimbursing me at all for all the consumables I have to use sometimes to keep them alive......

I say, pay me for that scroll...and we will be even.

[Aussieee]

Mn.

[maddmatt70]

This is such a strange thread especially since scrolls are tradeable. It is not like you can not trade that bloodstone scroll for a clerical one such as an epic green blade or spell storing ring scroll. It really sounds like clerical bashing actually and has been noted by others clerics/fvs/bard healers pay more then melee to run epic quests so why are you complaining.

[Emili]

This is such a strange thread especially since scrolls are tradeable. It is not like you can not trade that bloodstone scroll for a clerical one such as an epic green blade or spell storing ring scroll. It really sounds like clerical bashing actually and has been noted by others clerics/fvs/bard healers pay more then melee to run epic quests so why are you complaining.

It does seem to come across that way, In many quests people are willing to set aside the character they'd like or wish to play ... and grab their cleric, FvS, or whatever just to make the party a tad more rounded. Many times putting off getting loot or counters or whatever they actually set out to get out of the run.

[Sharzade]

It does seem insane that the cleric didn't pick the scroll up. What a waste!

If I were in Epic content on my cleric and a valuable scroll dropped, of course I'd take it for one of my melee alts or trade it for a scroll my cleric needs. I've got plenty of melees that need it, and there's no incentive to lavishly babysit groups and then get robbed of something my characters need just because my melee isn't in the quest.

Though in this instance, I do not understand the cleric leaving the scroll behind.

If I didn't care about a scroll or wasn't gonna use it, I'd give it up to the party for roll. Wasting that one is rather a sin.

I'd love for more interesting cleric-oriented loot to be put in game. Too many people can't be bothered to play clerics of their own, and just put more burden on those of us that do.

Sharz

[Sweyn]

Question(s)...

If a scroll for an Epic Torc dropped would you loot it?
yes
If a scroll for an Epic Chaos Blade dropped, and you were a 2HF would you loot it?
yes
If you answered yes to either question...you are guilty of what you are accusing this CLR of.
Actually, not really
If you answered no, then you play by the "loot what you can use" logic. Both are indeed acceptable.

Though kudos to you for having people roll on things rather than it being a free for all. BTW, what if his plan was to sell the epic bloodstone scroll and BUY a Epic Torc Scroll with the money...is that still greedy?

Also I typically use my FVS to run epic (hes my best geared toon), but I use him to help gear up my melee(s). Maybe this guy does the same. Maybe he has a Barb that he can't wait to put an epic bloodstone on?

I would loot the Torc scroll because i do infact have a capped cleric, and a capped sorc that can both use it. This cleric did not have any melee.

Visty : I am aware scrolls do not bind, and would have NO PROBLEM with him rolling if he actually had a toon that could use it.....


To everyone here that thinks i have a problem with a cleric rolling for a scroll, that isn't the case, and you may need to be a little better reader. I have a problem with a cleric rolling on a melee item when he has no melee to use it whether he can trade it for a cleric item or not. The bloodstone scroll dropped, not the torc, not the SSR, therefor, the people with melee's that actually plan to USE the scroll, instead of trade it should have the priority

[toughguyjoe]

I would loot the Torc scroll because i do infact have a capped cleric, and a capped sorc that can both use it. This cleric did not have any melee.

Visty : I am aware scrolls do not bind, and would have NO PROBLEM with him rolling if he actually had a toon that could use it.....


To everyone here that thinks i have a problem with a cleric rolling for a scroll, that isn't the case, and you may need to be a little better reader. I have a problem with a cleric rolling on a melee item when he has no melee to use it whether he can trade it for a cleric item or not. The bloodstone scroll dropped, not the torc, not the SSR, therefor, the people with melee's that actually plan to USE the scroll, instead of trade it should have the priority

Simple Fix kiddo. Put it in your LFM for EPIC quests. "Need Before Greed Scroll Distribution" Its pretty clear with that tag that you will be laying down your own rules for Scroll looting.

Don't plan on getting some of the better players on your server, since people who get their knickers in a twist over scrolls tend to not be that fun to group with anyway. I mean, would you want to read through a whole thread on the forums about "ogog a cleric won the roll on MY epic bloodstone scroll, and then left it where i could easily have poached it and I didn't OGOGOG" I know i wouldn't.

Oh...Crud....I just contradicted myself.

[Lorz]

Im thinking OP threw a hissy fit in game.

And Cleric decided not to take it.
Im sure OP wont man up to it...but i suspect this is close to reality.
I hope OP gets his next few heals right after the DING.


OP's inconsideration to the healing class is pretty obvious.

Another one who feels entitled over other players who are doing as much or more....

Nice.

[Sweyn]

Im thinking OP threw a hissy fit in game.

And Cleric decided not to take it.
Im sure OP wont man up to it...but i suspect this is close to reality.
I hope OP gets his next few heals right after the DING.


OP's inconsideration to the healing class is pretty obvious.

Another one who feels entitled over other players who are doing as much or more....

Nice.

You just don't get it, half of the people don't. Its has nothing to do with a healing class or a cleric. The same principles would apply if someone's ONLY toon was a melee, and he rolled for the SSR scroll. If you all think this has to do with cleric not getting a fiar chance, you are wrong

[Krag]

I have two very simple questions:

1. Do you think cleric was not contributing enough? Yes/No.
2. Do you think cleric can't benefit from Bloodstone scroll? Yes/No.

[krud]

You just don't get it, half of the people don't. Its has nothing to do with a healing class or a cleric. The same principles would apply if someone's ONLY toon was a melee, and he rolled for the SSR scroll. If you all think this has to do with cleric not getting a fiar chance, you are wrong

How do you know what his plans are for a TR? Maybe he is going FvS, or melee next time, or even completionist. Maybe he has an easier time getting in to epic groups by playing his cleric. Maybe his melee toons aren't up to epic quality, so he farms for them with his cleric.

[maddmatt70]

What you are basically saying is if a player has less alts they have less rights to scrolls that drop which is just plain fooey. Good luck getting some of the good players like say a quicktoez in your group who only has one alt.

[Lorz]

You just don't get it, half of the people don't. Its has nothing to do with a healing class or a cleric. The same principles would apply if someone's ONLY toon was a melee, and he rolled for the SSR scroll. If you all think this has to do with cleric not getting a fiar chance, you are wrong

No...it is you who do not get it.

He can use it....same as you and the other 4 could.
You lost the role...you must accept that.
I suspect had the cleric lost the role...he would not be hear posting his wanna-be drama.

As stated by plenty of others here he can use it, he can TR, he can trade it, he can sell it, he can drop it into a dumpster.

You seem fixated on this made up fantasy of yours...that he cannot possibly benefit from this. You sir are wrong.

[Sweyn]

I have two very simple questions:

1. Do you think cleric was not contributing enough? Yes/No.
2. Do you think cleric can't benefit from Bloodstone scroll? Yes/No.

1) Yes, but that isn't the point here
2) Yes, but in a greedy way, such as in selling it ect

How about those melee in the group that were contributing just as much as a cleric, and could actually use the scroll.

I guess it's just my opinion that those people should get priority, and not someone who has little use for it.

What you are basically saying is if a player has less alts they have less rights to scrolls that drop which is just plain fooey. Good luck getting some of the good players like say a quicktoez in your group who only has one alt.

Yeah, they do have less rights. Because for some specific scrolls, they have no use for, while other members in the aprty can use it to craft.

[valorik]

Just because the cleric can't benefit from what you use the scroll for, doesn't mean he can't benefit from the scroll. It holds value to him as much as you due to the trade value of it, therefore it's as useful to him as you.


I fully support everyone rolling on scrolls, they worked as hard for it why not get the same reward if it's just as valuable to him?

[Drakos]

Actually, with a good group it is fairly easy, and our group was great. The point is the cleric is greedy, i have been in other runs with him that he rolls on things that are completly useless to his class. The scroll could have been used well, instead of sitting in someone's ingred. bag for 6 months

It might not be 6 months. He may have an alt that could use it right away. Mabye the one who put it up for roll should have said "only Melee" or some such.