Epic Scrolls/Whisperdoom/Trap the Soul - Stop the Ninja looting madness!

[Cyr]

This is how scroll drops should work...

Scroll drops...

everyone automatically rolls on the scroll and it goes in the winners inventory automatically...

little pop up like for collectibles pops up telling you that you picked up scroll X.

Simple, no need to run over to a mob and pick it up, and more importantly no ninja looting.

They are not bound so if you get a scroll you don't want it's easy enough to say okay I got scroll X roll d100 for it...just like now in completly honest parties.

BTW, I pug a good amount on Sarlona.

I have personally seen scrolls drop dozens of times and when I look back scroll has been ninja'd by someone and no one will admit it. VON 6 is the worst for this. Literally more scrolls are ninja'd in there then dealt with honestly in pugs.

[Bunker]

Yes, it is a shame that players choose to "ninja" loot items in game. Heck, it brings me all the way back to my Diablo II days. Does anyone remember those days, where ALL LOOT was given to whom ever clicked the fastest. Sure, I was good, and learned to live with that system. And then I grew up.

So here we are, in a realm which caters to gamers of all ages. We do our best to play well with others, finding guild members, friends, and pugs who we can get along with. We show those choices first and foremost in our LFM panal. Describing the types of gamers we want to group with. Making sure that the groups we create and join have like minded induviduals in them. We do the most we can with what we have to create the greatest amount of enjoyment in this game.

A small select few items in the game have player control. It use to start with raid loot, where the raid leader had alt he control. And loot rules/systems where created to protect the players. On top of that, the players would all agree on how the loot would be handled. This system was changed, not simply because of the leader control feature, but other reasons aswell. IMHO, the new system works.

So now in the last few weeks, I have seen more and more complaints about the Soul Gems and how they drop. Why all of a sudden are players complaining more? Answer: They are becoming more useful in game, hence more value. However, they have been around for as long as the Shroud has be here. And that is a long time. Epic scrolls, have been around for a while now, and I see plenty of players learning how to work well with others. And there in lies the real problem........

Gaming together as adults. Heck, I won't even go that far. Lets just say, gaming together as human beings. I mean seriously. Are you really asking the Devs to police your choices on ninja looting from fellow party members. Because that is what you are asking. You are asking the Devs to look at a system, that allows us to "choose" to be decent, and instead control whether you have to choice to or not. It is much easier and frankly, more satisfying to be mature, than have big daddy dev come in here and make sure we play well with others.

Don't be mistaken, I don't care for players that choose to ninja up certain items in game, but I would much rather have the choice to group with them based on thiier behavior. I actually like certain aspects like this in game. For if they do not exsist, I would never know which A$$hats to avoid in game. Thus making my experience less enjoyable.

/cheers

-Bunk

[KKDragonLord]

on the opposite side of ninja looting, you might get a group thats too nice....

had the bloodstone scroll drop in OOB last night, everyone got excited and rolled off immediately. The cleric won, and everyone proceeded with the quest. get to the end of the quest, recall, and exit, and disband. And it turns out the cleric failed to pick the scroll off the ground. The irony passed over a few party members heads who were just too upset about a greed roll.

Once i got the Seven Fingered gloves and thought i didnt have use for it so i traded to a friend, selected a person who had exited by mistake and said friend couldn't get it, and a GM wouldn't assign it to him even though he was the last person in the quest. Later i found out not only i had use for it, it was actually the thing i want most from Titan... i just hit 20th and it wasn't there now i know im doomed to never get it.

So word of advise, be very attentive when you are being generous to not let it all go to waste.

[KKDragonLord]

ninja looting is still not the way to go, just buy them from the AH or from a sorc/wissy


oh and to the op, /signed

Hey this is D&D, where is the Roleplay?

Its the Rogue class aka not honest people by definition

Its WAI

[Archer001]

About Trap the Soul, why do the gems drop where the monster died? The gem used to trap creatures is a focus/material component held by the wizard/sorcerer when they cast the spell so why does it travel to the creature? In Pen and Paper the creature was pulled into the gem and not pulled into it on contact like a pokemon so this mechanic is a bit bizarre.

[Rakian_Knight]

Hey this is D&D, where is the Roleplay?

Its the Rogue class aka not honest people by definition

Its WAI

Not true, not all rogues are chaotic, some can be lawful.

About Trap the Soul, why do the gems drop where the monster died? The gem used to trap creatures is a focus/material component held by the wizard/sorcerer when they cast the spell so why does it travel to the creature? In Pen and Paper the creature was pulled into the gem and not pulled into it on contact like a pokemon so this mechanic is a bit bizarre.

Agreed

However, Soul Gems is the only thing that I would want controlled because the new wealth of the trapped soul is now worth material components.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

/signed

[Xyzima]

Ore in Relic of a sovereign past. whenever i lead that quest. i say before hand. I will pick up all the ore. and distribute it fairly between anyone who wants it(i have 3 level 20's i dont need ore, im there for exp). and if i dont get 15 ore. nobody gets any and i blacklist those characters from partying. (big piece of paper with names). its only happened once that i didnt get all the ore, and 1 time i messed up and got an item i didnt want with ore i didnt want to use and wanted to give away. i blacklisted the party that i didnt get ore from. and apologized to the people that didnt get ore that wanted some(2 people, one needed 5 for an item 1 needed 10), and soloed the ore and mailed it to them when the party was over. since it was my fault the ore was lost.

and in wow. i always made it so that if i was leader i would delegate loot of chests and whatnot. im usually fair about it and offer rolls on any item of relevence. albiet sometimes i was a bit selfish. it was only if an item was immediately more useful than one i had on. and if it was id offer my lesser item to the party if it wasnt bound. unless no one else could use it...

[Archetype]

Just did a Whisperdoom w/ a PUG.....

ME: Don't forget to hold off on looting the named item rare drops, plz and thanks, so we can roll for them.

"pubeless" PUG member: "You are making that up. That's gay."

[we get to the first named item in the corridor]

ANOTHER clueless PUGger: [after I pause and /point to the item, which I could have taken easily as I was closest] {runs past and clicks on the item} : "HAH! you FAIL!"

*sigh* "Outtie, then."

/squelch add xxxxxxx and xxxxxxxx.

This mechanic brings so many quality, memorable, uplifting moments to our interactive gaming experience, eh?

For these kinds of players: I hear there is a game called World of Warcraft. Check it out. Might be more suitable to your gaming "style."

[AyumiAmakusa]

Ore in Relic of a sovereign past. whenever i lead that quest. i say before hand. I will pick up all the ore. and distribute it fairly between anyone who wants it(i have 3 level 20's i dont need ore, im there for exp). and if i dont get 15 ore. nobody gets any and i blacklist those characters from partying. (big piece of paper with names). its only happened once that i didnt get all the ore, and 1 time i messed up and got an item i didnt want with ore i didnt want to use and wanted to give away. i blacklisted the party that i didnt get ore from. and apologized to the people that didnt get ore that wanted some(2 people, one needed 5 for an item 1 needed 10), and soloed the ore and mailed it to them when the party was over. since it was my fault the ore was lost.

and in wow. i always made it so that if i was leader i would delegate loot of chests and whatnot. im usually fair about it and offer rolls on any item of relevence. albiet sometimes i was a bit selfish. it was only if an item was immediately more useful than one i had on. and if it was id offer my lesser item to the party if it wasnt bound. unless no one else could use it...

I seriously hate quests with drops that can only be obtained by one person in the party. There was an event like this in another game (MapleStory) where 3 people would do a party quest and 6 items would drop. Those 6 items can be picked up by everybody, you needed 20 of those items to make an event item, the event was for a limited time only and you can only run that quest 3 times a day.

Needless to say, countless number of scammers partied with 2 other hapless victims and ninja-looted all 6 of the items.

DDO was better because stuff like collectibles and chest loot were kept separate and available to everyone. I can understand if Epic scrolls were dropped for one person only but why do quests like Spawn of Whisperdoom and Relic of the Sovereign Host exist? To create more grief for players?

[Pugsley]

I think "open world" loot should only show up for the player with permission to loot it. Everyone else should see empty air. Who gets permission would be decided by who breaks the crate, who trapped the soul or just a dice roll.

One other option for trash loot however is to create a copy of it for each player to loot if they want to.

[die]

well ninja looting does allow one thing pepps have been asking for ...... [playing a RP evil toon ]

[Mister_Peace]

An easy fix for this would be to have the soul gems just drop into the caster's inventory on success - how hard can that be to code?

A similar piece of code is already written: Risia ice coins, which drop into inventory upon killing certain monsters.
Of course soul gems and epic scrolls doing this would be more complex to code, but not insurmountably.

[elraido]

Well done on the OP.

I found my solution to posted issues;

Don't run with smacktards or people I do not know.

Being Guilded and having friends has it's benefits and not having to worry about such things are the biggest.

You still have my smacktard head to deal with......sucks to be you!

[Ybbald]

Today I won my first ever epic scroll in a roll
I was so excited, but then it was promptly ninjad
This really needs to be fixed
at least put them in chests so it is restricted and we can see who took it

[Natulyre]

Are you telling me that with your suggestion I wouldn't be able to get the aggro of 200+ monsters with a trap the soul guard item on and watch the floor be flooded with shiny gems? What kind of evil and cruel person are you? You're ruining my broccoli screenshots contests entries!


On a more serious tone, I like to let the soul gems on the ground for a few seconds, If anyone pick it up, subtly say that picking them up is dangerous and shouldn't be done. If no trade window is opened and the next gem goes missing too, punish them with the appropriate spells (Grease/Kormor's belt Dance/Dispel) hopefully killing them in the process. That'll show these pesky soul gem thieves!

[EricZanzibar]

Ha ha ha ha! Now THAT i like!

[Clayness]

/signed

Scrolls are a constant and annoying factor when you're doing PUG epics. You spend half the run listening for the drop-sound to come, so you can make sure no one ninjas a scroll if thats what dropped

[oldkraft]

With the distribution system developed for Mabar Event there is no excuse anymore.

Btw, when I, as a fighter, sported a Vacuum Maul from the Shroud some years ago, the soul gems dropping were indeed bound to me, as in 'could not be picked by others'. Could put them on AH, though. And I dont know if it is different now, or was to casters.

[DevHead]

The best way to deal with a problem is to not answer it, but to remove the problem altogether.

While I like the idea of a pop-up roller appearing when someone tries to pick up the scroll...I'd suggest the Devs just make it slightly simpler to make Epic items. Honestly...grinding Epic quests that have a timer for three different items is really ridiculous, especially for people that don't play DDO constantly.