A Bard Poll

[Creeper]

**Please disregard thread. I don't think I worded my OP clearly enough. I didn't mean for this to be a lesson about the obvious differences between spell singer and war chanter. But thanks for the input regardless. My fault.

[Creeper]

Would you regret inviting this character?

1.Yes
2. No

2. No, I would not regret inviting this character.

[Visty]

a warchanter not meleeing is like a cleric not healing or a fighter not swinging

if he really just wanted to stay back he should rather be a spellsinger, that would benefit the party way more

[Creeper]

if he really just wanted to stay back he should rather be a spellsinger, that would benefit the party way more

You didn't vote 1 or 2.

But I have to ask: how will being a spellsinger staying back benefit the party way more than a warchanter staying way back?

[EddieB_TBC]

But I have to ask: how will being a spellsinger staying back benefit the party way more than a warchanter staying way back?

probably 2 for me, but to answer you question the spellsinger reduces the spell cost for other casters and themselves can have a much larger spell point pool as well as not having to spend the feat pre-reqs for the warchanter PrE.

[maddmatt70]

a warchanter not meleeing is like a cleric not healing or a fighter not swinging

if he really just wanted to stay back he should rather be a spellsinger, that would benefit the party way more

Lol man you dont know what bards can do. My warchanter bard, Rabiez, who can melee by the way, has been sole healer on every 6 man epic quest which is great because then we do not have to have a gimpy cleric or FVS. Clerics and FVS are the true gimps of DDO.

Edit: Yes you woudl definitely be welcome especially if you take the cleric/fvs spot.

[Visty]

You didn't vote 1 or 2.

But I have to ask: how will being a spellsinger staying back benefit the party way more than a warchanter staying way back?

it was a long way to say: 1

well, less sp spend for the casters would be the biggest benefit

Lol man you dont know what bards can do. My warchanter bard, Rabiez, who can melee by the way, has been sole healer on every 6 man epic quest which is great because then we do not have to have a gimpy cleric or FVS. Clerics and FVS are the true gimps of DDO.

Edit: Yes you woudl definitely be welcome especially if you take the cleric/fvs spot.

your bard is meleeing, so its ok.
reread what he op wrote and my response to it

[Creeper]

A simple 1 or 2 is all that is needed.

[maddmatt70]

your bard is meleeing, so its ok.
reread what he op wrote and my response to it

No i have run my bard as the only healer the entire quest and on some of these quests I only could melee 15% or so of the time because I had to heal. You do not get it man. Healing warchanters have the highest possibly efficiency ratio.

[Visty]

No i have run my bard as the only healer the entire quest and on some of these quests I only could melee 15% or so of the time because I had to heal. You do not get it man. Healing warchanters have the highest possibly efficiency ratio.

this will be my last response to this as thats not what the thread is about

a spellsinger will have way more sp then any warchanter and will reduce the sp cost of any spellcaster in the party. so he can heal way more efficient then any warchanter could even dream of

im not sure if im the one who doesnt get it

[Aerendil]

Would I regret inviting them - maybe. Depends on the situation. But probably yes.
Would it stop me from inviting them, though? Probably not

But as Maddmatt pointed out, unless it is otherwise dangerous or you're being a heal-sponge there's little reason why you shouldn't melee.
Warchanters won't have the feats or DCs to CC/nuke effectively, which limits their Bardic spells to buffs, heals, and the occaisonal Otto's. And there's no reason you can't do all of that while also contributing to the melee dps.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Not every quest needs 5 big melees and 1 cleric. Therefore, a bard swinging a weapon is not always the most efficient use of your bard skills. I love it when a GOOD bard is controlling things... via heals, cures, songs, buffs. Swinging is always good, but on my spellsinger, for example, CC/heals/cures/songs/buffs always > than DPS. Priorities.

But personally, I think even a pure spellsinger should have a few DPS solutions and work them in to the overall gameplan.

So, 2. No question. If you're good

[BoBoDaClown]

this will be my last response to this as thats not what the thread is about

a spellsinger will have way more sp then any warchanter and will reduce the sp cost of any spellcaster in the party. so he can heal way more efficient then any warchanter could even dream of

im not sure if im the one who doesnt get it

Doesn't mean you can't main heal with a warchanter.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

a spellsinger will have way more sp then any warchanter and will reduce the sp cost of any spellcaster in the party. so he can heal way more efficient then any warchanter could even dream of

Partially true. If a spellsinger and warchanter have little gear, then spellsinger owns the warchanter in healing.

However, if the warchanter has a torc and/or concord opp greensteel, a warchanter can mix it up and main heal quite effectively.

[kelabb]

I have have rolled up warchanters, an I have at times been required to be the primary healer for a group. But it really felt like using your main tank to pull agro with a shortbow. Yeah it can be done in a pinch, but it isn't optimal for the group, or the warchanter.

[Krag]

Partially true. If a spellsinger and warchanter have little gear, then spellsinger owns the warchanter in healing.

However, if the warchanter has a torc and/or concord opp greensteel, a warchanter can mix it up and main heal quite effectively.

Warchanter can heal a solid group, but won't push a less-than-perfect pug through the quest. Pure warchanter can't fit crucial metamagic feats if he dreams to be useful in melee. Even 16/2/2 splash will consider maximise or empower healing but definitely skip quicken. And do not forget that SP of a splash isn't very impressive.

[Crystalizer]

a warchanter not meleeing is like a cleric not healing or a fighter not swinging

if he really just wanted to stay back he should rather be a spellsinger, that would benefit the party way more

best aspect of bard is buffing with songs
if you play a warchanter and dont melee much you still bring to the group the best about damage and tohit, so a non meleeing wc is to me a very viable bard, he will spend some time to backup heal and cc and all