Bank Slots

[Futility]

I, personally, understand the reason (other than greed) why this extra tab doesn't apply to all characters.
There's a huge difference between in gain between a 4 character account and a 10+ character one.

What I do not understand is the pricing. If I really am in need of some extra bank space, it's cheaper just
to buy another character slot. Additionally you get MORE storage space this way (inventory + bank slots).
If you have a shared bank and a veteran status item transfer is a breeze.

Price that extra tab at 245-295 TP per character and it might sell for convenience factor alone.

I don't like the idea of store-exclusive items myself, but I think that the extra bank tab is just a convenience
feature and not a necessity, therefore it doesn't have to be achievable in-game "for free."

[dunklezhan]

Yeah, price point is way too high, and it should be 'earnable' in-game. Nothing in the store should be store only, EVERYthing should be able to be earned in game. And I say this as someone who tends to buy from the store because I can't be bothered to grind for it.

What I liked about the DDO 'f2p' system was that it was very much time vs money, and a genuine choice. If things start going store only then it really does become pay to win, and that would make it like every other cash shop out there.

Please turbine, don't do this. Don't go down this route. I've spent lots of cash in the store because I've never felt forced. If I feel forced, I'll stop spending cash. I do not respond well to blackmail/extortion and that's what I consider 'pay to win' to be. However if I feel like I have a choice between time and money, I'll choose to give you money, because I'm lazy. One way, you win. The other way, I just become a freeloader or stop playing completely. (EDIT - just reread this. Apparently I do not respond well to blackmail but am quite happy to try it myself. Sorry! What I mean is - encourage me to spend money by making it easier to buy than work for it, and I buy. Just give me 'buy it or do without' options and I will choose to do without, and you don't make any money off me, and we're both miserable because we don't have the thing we want)

On the pricing of this particular item - even if it was earnable in game, at this price I wouldn't pay. Even though House K rep is quite difficult to get (at least so far up to L10ish its been very difficult for me, maybe there's more later), and even though every toon I have is running out of bag and bank space... at 900-odd points you can forget it. I'm not paying ten bucks for fictional storage space on a single character. Ten bucks for all characters on a server would be pushing it, though I'd pay that figure if it was across all characters on all servers.... but ONLY if its earnable in game.

After the Offer Wall fiasco, you could have used this as a 'sorry folks' to the community and offered it ridiculously cheap for the first month or something before putting the price up to maybe 200pts per character. But nearly ten bucks? No. Sorry. Just... No.

[tgun]

well technically it is earnable in game. You earn TP from favor in game and can then turn around and use it to buy the extra slots. Having said that the price is too high especially for only one character. If it applied to every character slot on every server I think it would still be too high. 795 tp for every character on every server would be more reasonable I think even though I'm not sure I would get it even for that price. If it was the same cost as an extra character slot I think I would definately buy it.

[Shade]

There will never be able further "favor" rewards

Evidence to this fact:
Lateest coin lords: Nothing.
latest twelve: Was a huge bag on lamannia, but was quickly deleted after the devs remembered they were on the store. Now: Nothing.

In the turbine marketings mind: Turbines points are the new favor points.

Favor points don't fill there bank accounts very well, so it is what it is. Greed.

I'd bet guild airships will be almost entirely turbine points only too. Despite the fact that fernando said otherwise.

[HallowedOne]

Instead of making us pay a ridiculous amount (995 TP per character) for an additional +20 personal bank space, why not make that the 3rd tier of House K favor? This allows each character the ability to unlock it. Almost 6000 TP for this for my 6 characters means I won't be buying this!

Gee, is that so? 995 per character? Not gonna buy it them

That beeing said...

You people realize we don't live in shiny happy URSS or Castro's paradise island, right?

We can discuss what prices, cost/benefit, et al, but don't expect game improvements if they don't get money somehow.

( Although what they're gonna do with all the money they are getting ... that is a whole different story )

[dunklezhan]

Gee, is that so? 995 per character? Not gonna buy it them

That beeing said...

You people realize we don't live in shiny happy URSS or Castro's paradise island, right?

We can discuss what prices, cost/benefit, et al, but don't expect game improvements if they don't get money somehow.

( Although what they're gonna do with all the money they are getting ... that is a whole different story )

You are correct. However, they will make MORE money by making people not think twice about spending. If something kewl is cheap enough, people just buy it on a whim. If on the other hand, it requires actually thinking about it... then a much higher proportion of people will choose not to buy it, and spend their points on other stuff.

A hireling mid instance when I'm in dire need because I've bitten off more than i can chew solo - cheap enough that I just think 'sod it' and buy one. Bank slots at 900pts that I only need because I'm a hoarder? I'll adjust my platstyle and do without.

[Steiner-Davion]

From what I read on Tolero's Twitter feed this week, the new Bank Slots for sale are supposed to be PER Character, not per account.

That being said, the description seems to indicate the same thing, PER Character, not per account.

BUT ***, the price is highway robbery 2 months of VIP bonus TP (unless you sign up now, then it is 1 month), for a per character store item. Come on, stop being greedy Turbine.

[HallowedOne]

You are correct. However, they will make MORE money by making people not think twice about spending. If something kewl is cheap enough, people just buy it on a whim. If on the other hand, it requires actually thinking about it... then a much higher proportion of people will choose not to buy it, and spend their points on other stuff.

A hireling mid instance when I'm in dire need because I've bitten off more than i can chew solo - cheap enough that I just think 'sod it' and buy one. Bank slots at 900pts that I only need because I'm a hoarder? I'll adjust my platstyle and do without.

You are correct as well. It's just that I see many people complaining about the Store selling "Exclusive" stuff that it is getting quite boring. I think my comment was biased towards them, maybe.

I mean, they made an audacious commercial move, succeeded at it, and can (notice: CAN. They can still screw up their good move) improve the game faster with the income cash they are receiving. Besides, it isn't like this is the end of the world - one can just live well enough without buying that extra tab.

On a side note, if you want extra inv slot then isn't it better to just buy a char slot and make a mule? About 600 TP's and 2 inv tabs!

[FauxSho]

On a side note, if you want extra inv slot then isn't it better to just buy a char slot and make a mule? About 600 TP's and 2 inv tabs!

Or, as is usually the case, ~475TP (20% off sale) and 1-2 hours of faction farming = 4 Inventory tabs plus 1 Bank tab. Why pay twice that for 1/5th of the storage space?

[Kaldaka]

This will never be server/account wide because of the vast number of characters that people have per account these days. I know people with 30+ characters on their single account b/c they bought with TPs ... that would mean they would get that many more bank slots ...

It does make sense to have it be another House K favor point (need new house K favor quests) but also available in store ... for at least 1/4 of a new character slot, since as stated before you can get 4 slots there ...

[HallowedOne]

Or, as is usually the case, ~475TP (20% off sale) and 1-2 hours of faction farming = 4 Inventory tabs plus 1 Bank tab. Why pay twice that for 1/5th of the storage space?

In other words, they should have consulted the 30 int wizards of the community before doing that move :P

[Mindspat]

Instead of making us pay a ridiculous amount (995 TP per character) for an additional +20 personal bank space, why not make that the 3rd tier of House K favor? This allows each character the ability to unlock it. Almost 6000 TP for this for my 6 characters means I won't be buying this!

I'm going to use the points I get from subscribing to purchase this for the most played character I have. It's like a reward system honoring those who've maintained subscriptions. I try to save those points just for things like this and apparently the wait was worth it.

I actually view this as a means of rewarding me for my subscription.

Is this one of those things where someone see's the glass half full and the other see's it half empty?

[Sirea]

Or, as is usually the case, ~475TP (20% off sale) and 1-2 hours of faction farming = 4 Inventory tabs plus 1 Bank tab. Why pay twice that for 1/5th of the storage space?

Why pay at all for extra bank space? Just make a f2p account. There's 160 slots for you right there, at zero cost.

[HallowedOne]

Is this one of those things where someone see's the glass half full and the other see's it half empty?

It is more like "One sees it half full, but the other asks to himself why pay 5 bottles of 200ml for 2$ each if I can buy 1L for 8$?"

[FauxSho]

Why pay at all for extra bank space? Just make a f2p account. There's 160 slots for you right there, at zero cost.

Well yes, that's an option. But free isn't a very useful price-point comparison for other things on offer. Assuming you want to use the same account (for Shared Bank, for instance), this new bank tab is still about an order of magnitude off in terms of value.

[Sirea]

Well yes, that's an option. But free isn't a very useful price-point comparison for other things on offer. Assuming you want to use the same account (for Shared Bank, for instance), this new bank tab is still about an order of magnitude off in terms of value.

Meh, I could care less about the shared bank tab. I just got tired of remembering what toon I left this belt or those bracers or that khopesh on, so I figured it'd be easier to have everything in a centralized location. There are two computers in our house, so I wouldn't even have to spend plat to mail stuff, just log into bank toon on one computer, my main account on another computer, and open a trade window.

Just sayin, there is a no-TP-no-cash option for bank space, if you are willing to put up with a minor amount of hassle.

[FauxSho]

Meh, I could care less about the shared bank tab. I just got tired of remembering what toon I left this belt or those bracers or that khopesh on, so I figured it'd be easier to have everything in a centralized location. There are two computers in our house, so I wouldn't even have to spend plat to mail stuff, just log into bank toon on one computer, my main account on another computer, and open a trade window.

Just sayin, there is a no-TP-no-cash option for bank space, if you are willing to put up with a minor amount of hassle.

I agree fully, it's pretty easy to get new bank and storage space. It's even possible with only one computer to run two clients simultaneously, thereby bypassing both mailing fees and any TP charges.

The point is that if there's a minor-hassle alternative, the convenience charge should be low enough to entice people to choose that route. It follows that the amount of hassle should be directly proportional to the convenience charge.

The convenience method of bypassing the minor-hassle storage strategy has been extra character slot(s) plus the shared bank. Comparing that convenience charge (the sum of an extra character slot plus the shared bank) with the pricing of the new single-character bank tab reveals that someone in marketing apparently miscalculated or misinterpreted the value of 20 extra bank slots which can be easily obtained by both cheaper and free (minor-hassle) methods.

[Draccus]

For VIPs, it's just two months worth of free points. If you don't need it, don't buy it. If you do need it and don't want to pay real money, wait two months and buy it with your free points. If you're playing for free, you have nothing to complain about because, well, it's free!

I do agree that it should have been a favor reward but with 500 free points a month, it's not outrageous.

[Hokiewa]

I strongly suspect that whoever is in charge of price points in the store has virtually no small/med business marketing experiance whatsoever. It's not a bash, it's just so apparent in how these "micro" transactions have taken a turn for the worse since they made the "huge" collectable bag change. I wonder how many of those bags they've sold since......Not many I'd wager.

Close to 10 bucks for 1 bank page.....for 1 character.....Clearly, "somebody" sees dollar signs/bonus checks but doesn't understand the reality of everyday transactions.

For VIPs, it's just two months worth of free points. If you don't need it, don't buy it.
I do agree that it should have been a favor reward but with 500 free points a month, it's not outrageous.

It's becoming incredibly amusing when at this point, they still can't manage to deliver VIPs their paid for points every month.

[chadj82371]

Well yes, that's an option. But free isn't a very useful price-point comparison for other things on offer. Assuming you want to use the same account (for Shared Bank, for instance), this new bank tab is still about an order of magnitude off in terms of value.

Another option, and maybe a better price comparison, start a f2P account, purchase the small TP pack ($6) and now you have 4 mules=16 inventory tabs (12 inventory, 4 bank)=320 new storage space instead of 20 for less money. Of course, this assumes you can log into 2 accounts at the same time from the same location so you could freely trade between toons, otherwise they'd get you with the postage charges.

16 times the storage space for less money (granted it's a little more of a hassle).