God syndrome

[phalaeo]

I have an M.D. from Jorasco, I am board certified in emergency battlefield medicine and trauma surgery, I have been awarded citations from seven different medical boards in Ebberon, and I am never, ever sick at sea. So I ask you; when someone goes into that rest shrine and they fall on their knees and they pray to God that their fighter doesn't recall or that their rogue doesn't bleed to death from trap damage or that their mage doesn't suffer acute neural trauma from feeblemind, who do you think they're praying to? Now, go ahead and read your Bible, _vindicater_, and you go to your church, and, with any luck, you might win the annual raffle, but if you're looking for God, he was in Prison of the Planes on November 17, and he doesn't like to be second guessed. You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something: I am God.

Can I use this for my in-game bio?
Please?

[phalaeo]

To actually address the OP-

I've only ever played Clerics and I've not encountered this same treating Clerics like God syndrome that you describe.

It may be there (I'm not on Khyber), but on Argo, people seem to be really kind and generous....not worshipping.

I have said several times when I feel a quest is using too many resources, but I've only ever ragequitted out once and it was really deserved.

[JohnWarlock]

I've been playing on and off for 3 years and at least 90% of my characters are self-sufficient or working towards that end. I believe a good cleric/fvs is one that helps keep your party alive. Be it that he heals everyone or goes ahead and kills everything. Now saying that clerics are Gods that's a bit too much... Paladins are gods... but that's another story :P

I am thankful for every cleric that comes and helps and heals or kills and makes quests go faster, smoother, easier; then again I am also thankful to the tanks, and the dps and rogues and casters and buffers, not only the healers; and if I have to solo a quest I am thankful to my music player or I'd fall asleep running something... but I think the object of the game is having fun. Sadly some idiots ruin it with bad personalities and stupid assumptions, for their parties and people in general.

I remember running a Crucible on elite and the evasion chars didn't want to do the swim for x or y reason and when they tried they died in the end it was a 1 bard / 15 sorc who did the swim and I think he said he left the evasion on his other docent at the cleaners.

Like a lot of people said, good parties and players can do without certain classes, which helps not having to wait til someone decided to run a certain quest. The problem lies in people who are either too arrogant to believe its a team instead of i (I know very cliché) or people who aren't used to seeing how good their characters can be cause they have never left that safe zone.

[Eladiun]

Can I use this for my in-game bio?
Please?

Certainly...

[gott_ist_tot]

we continue the chain replacing the cleric with another class, a Brazilian to be exact

I nearly choked to death on a piece of sandwich before I read the rest of this sentence

[vindicater]

To actually address the OP-

I've only ever played Clerics and I've not encountered this same treating Clerics like God syndrome that you describe.

It may be there (I'm not on Khyber), but on Argo, people seem to be really kind and generous....not worshipping.

I have said several times when I feel a quest is using too many resources, but I've only ever ragequitted out once and it was really deserved.

I think you missunderstand my point. If I am in a group that uses unrealistic resorcses but the cleric dose good I help him out. Usually by passing him wands, pots, or scrolls rez scrolls included for passing on becuse I have the plat and others might not. But do I care if they drop group yes becuse it is bad gamemanship to to so but no becuse you trully were not needed to begin with.
My problem is with people that think they are so important that they are somehow penalizing a group by dropping mid quest. And with people that get on the forums and encorage such a mindset.
My advice to a cleric if party is draining your resorces. Cleric says in party hey guys if we keep taking damage like this I am going to be out of resorces soon we need to try a differnt tactic if we hope to complete this quest.
Alot of advice I hear on the forums is like this. If they are playing stupid just tell them to do it your way or the highway becuse they need you not the other way around shoot you can solo that quest easyer anyway. This is the advice I am saying needs to stop not so much becuse it isent true but becuse it encorages (God syndrome) inn new players that dont realize yet that sucseeding in this game is about teamwork not about making people do things your way.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I can buy cure wounds pots, blindness removal pots, disease removal pots, Lesser Restoration pots......some of my chars can UMD Restoration scrolls (or I can just wait now in DDO nerfs unlimited), some can even UMD heal and res scrolls. The less capable ones can take people to shrines.

what did I need a cleric for again?









With smart play and a little luck, I don't even need most of those items listed above.

[vindicater]

[QUOTE=Talon_Moonshadow;2887428]I can buy cure wounds pots, blindness removal pots, disease removal pots, Lesser Restoration pots......some of my chars can UMD Restoration scrolls (or I can just wait now in DDO nerfs unlimited), some can even UMD heal and res scrolls. The less capable ones can take people to shrines.

what did I need a cleric for again?

Becuse it speeds things up in most quests and a devotion speced and geared healer can eliminate the need for extra resorces in most cases. Dont anyone missunderstand my point I like having a dedicated healer in my groups the problem is when they think they are more important than anyone else. Becuse as you stated the quest will be completed reguardless of a dedicated healer or not.

[HallowedOne]

Yeah but all he knew was heroes feast, remove disease and death pact. Was more of a BC with a whip anyways, totally should have went with two hand bastard sword imo.

+1 and added to sig lol

[LordMond]

Yeah if you know what your doing, dedicated healers are only needed for those who never learned how to play with strategy. I keep seeing at what level "healers" are supposedly needed and think I know groups who do that area without them. They use strategy via weapons or spells and go without a healer and use ways to heal themselves.

One major difference between DDO and most other MMORPGs I've played is the capability of pretty much all classes at most points in the game to be either completely self-sufficient or at least self-sufficient to the point that repair costs, extra time taken to complete a run (inconvenience factor), etc. don't make it completely impossible to succeed.

Anyone play a Fighter in the original Everquest (early on)? And try to solo?

There have been plenty of all X raids without healers and all healer raids without other classes just to show that with strategy and skill anyone can do such. If you limit your play to needing someone else to keep you up then I really feel bad for you. Hence why on both sides there is this annoying tendency to think healers are gods gift to the game. In reality by high levels most healers are comfortable in any role but know they do not always have to babysit and are happy to run with those who do not put them in that position. I hope one day everyone who thinks they need a healer goes threw quests they think are impossible without one.

Hats off to those who take the time and make the effort to actually- gasp!- use strategery in the game. I wish I could make more of your acquaintences- you guys run in different circles than I do.

Many, if not most, follow the Path Of Least Resistence. And that Path requires you to have a dedicated healer along for anything post-Korthos (and mebbe a few there as well). Now that doesn't preclude the group from turning into a herd of cats with ADD once you've entered the quest but, hey, you have that dedicated healer so what can go wrong?

It will change your gameplay for the better IMO.

Yes it will.

And it limits the number of prematurely bald Cleric players (from pulling our hair out).

[MeliCat]

1 sentence-

Clerics/FvS are not NEEDED for any quest until you hit GH.

Meh.

WF

WF Sorc.

Meh.

See Murderface's worst shroud thread.

[Ghaldar]

Becuse it speeds things up in most quests and a devotion speced and geared healer can eliminate the need for extra resorces in most cases. Dont anyone missunderstand my point I like having a dedicated healer in my groups the problem is when they think they are more important than anyone else. Becuse as you stated the quest will be completed reguardless of a dedicated healer or not.

Im of the opinion that I rather use a few scrolls haste and go than sit there for 20 minutes waiting for a cleric/FvS to join the group.