God syndrome

[vindicater]

Please quit telling clerics they are God. Noobs tend to beleive it when you tell them they are important and someone needs them not the other way around.
I was speed leveling (for me anyway)a level 6 ranger when I saw a group up for Delaris normal so I swung by house P and bought 10 wands and joined the group. When no clecic hoped in quick I asked group if they were game with me healing the three others agreed so we made it about half way through part one when a rouge and a cleric joined. Decision was made to go back and get optionals so all would get as much xp as possible.
Any way we go in part two and all is clicking and all but the cleric make the jump to the chest. someone in the group tells him not to worry we will get it from the back side later and we all go on. But the cleric he puts in party chat that if we dont wait on him he leaves. Thought about sending him a tell letting im know how sorry it is to drop group in quest over something like that but decided why waste my time.
What a jerk. Who thinks anyone needs them anyway. Guess what we finished just fine with just one death (mine) at the end fight of part 3. The person doing the healing shoudent get agro of the wrigth lesson learned.
Then I got to thinking I have noticed a lot of this clerics dont need anyone everybody needs you talk on the forums lately. Please quit this not that I care about a cleric dropping but you are perpetrating bad play when you give bad advice.

[Talon_Sky]

Cleric are important, they fill a role: the healer. In D&D and almost every RPG, there are four main roles: a tank, a healer, DPS/assistance, and magic (spike damage).

The cleric often fills the role of the healer, but not always. In your example, you did pretty well filling that role, but it's a role that needed filled none-the-less. I play clerics often in PnP, and I get a little annoyed when people think my character is nothing more then a mobile first-aid kit.

But I knew he would be when I created him.

Similarly, clerics and FvS in DDO should expect the same thing. They are healers and buffers by nature and really should be played by people who understand that. That being said:

Be nice to clerics who deserve it!

Good clerics spend a lot of time and energy to get there. People who don't understand the class' role won't make it very far. So be nice to your friendly cleric, but only if he's doing his job right. Don't wait on him if the rest of the party wants to move on, but don't outcast him either. Help him cast if you can, so he can save spell points/wands for when they're really needed.

Sorry, /rant. I am getting tired of seeing people in this game either ragging on clerics who think they're important, and players playing clerics who think they're the center of the universe. Seriously, wisdom is a central stat for a cleric for a reason.... ;p

[Twerpp]

Cleric is not God.

FvS is God.

[Talon_Sky]

Cleric is not God.

FvS is God.

Right. Jesus didn't have to 'prepare' his miracles each day. He could cast any spell he knew ;p

[Yagi]

Right. Jesus didn't have to 'prepare' his miracles each day. He could cast any spell he knew ;p

Yeah but all he knew was heroes feast, remove disease and death pact. Was more of a BC with a whip anyways, totally should have went with two hand bastard sword imo.

[lord_of_rage]

Yeah but all he knew was heroes feast, remove disease and death pact. Was more of a BC with a whip anyways, totally should have went with two hand bastard sword imo.

Dude you made me spit grean tea all over my new laptop lmfao.

[Talon_Sky]

Yeah but all he knew was heroes feast, remove disease and death pact. Was more of a BC with a whip anyways, totally should have went with two hand bastard sword imo.

Nah, he should have taken the Weapon Focus/Specialization feats for the pick. Picks can be awesome and unassuming weapons

[Arkat]

Yeah but all he knew was heroes feast, remove disease and death pact.

He also knew Raise Dead. He raised three people including that Lazarus guy.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Whom_did_J..._from_the_dead

[Anderei]

Yeah but all he knew was heroes feast, remove disease and death pact. Was more of a BC with a whip anyways, totally should have went with two hand bastard sword imo.

water walking.

[HallowedOne]

Yeah but all he knew was heroes feast, remove disease and death pact. Was more of a BC with a whip anyways, totally should have went with two hand bastard sword imo.

+1 and added to sig lol

[phalaeo]

Cleric is not God.

FvS is God.

Sigh.

[LordMond]

Yeah if you know what your doing, dedicated healers are only needed for those who never learned how to play with strategy. I keep seeing at what level "healers" are supposedly needed and think I know groups who do that area without them. They use strategy via weapons or spells and go without a healer and use ways to heal themselves.

One major difference between DDO and most other MMORPGs I've played is the capability of pretty much all classes at most points in the game to be either completely self-sufficient or at least self-sufficient to the point that repair costs, extra time taken to complete a run (inconvenience factor), etc. don't make it completely impossible to succeed.

Anyone play a Fighter in the original Everquest (early on)? And try to solo?

There have been plenty of all X raids without healers and all healer raids without other classes just to show that with strategy and skill anyone can do such. If you limit your play to needing someone else to keep you up then I really feel bad for you. Hence why on both sides there is this annoying tendency to think healers are gods gift to the game. In reality by high levels most healers are comfortable in any role but know they do not always have to babysit and are happy to run with those who do not put them in that position. I hope one day everyone who thinks they need a healer goes threw quests they think are impossible without one.

Hats off to those who take the time and make the effort to actually- gasp!- use strategery in the game. I wish I could make more of your acquaintences- you guys run in different circles than I do.

Many, if not most, follow the Path Of Least Resistence. And that Path requires you to have a dedicated healer along for anything post-Korthos (and mebbe a few there as well). Now that doesn't preclude the group from turning into a herd of cats with ADD once you've entered the quest but, hey, you have that dedicated healer so what can go wrong?

It will change your gameplay for the better IMO.

Yes it will.

And it limits the number of prematurely bald Cleric players (from pulling our hair out).

[Beld]

Cleric are important, they fill a role: the healer. In D&D and almost every RPG, there are four main roles: a tank, a healer, DPS/assistance, and magic (spike damage).

The cleric often fills the role of the healer, but not always. In your example, you did pretty well filling that role, but it's a role that needed filled none-the-less. I play clerics often in PnP, and I get a little annoyed when people think my character is nothing more then a mobile first-aid kit.

But I knew he would be when I created him.

Similarly, clerics and FvS in DDO should expect the same thing. They are healers and buffers by nature and really should be played by people who understand that. That being said:

Be nice to clerics who deserve it!

Good clerics spend a lot of time and energy to get there. People who don't understand the class' role won't make it very far. So be nice to your friendly cleric, but only if he's doing his job right. Don't wait on him if the rest of the party wants to move on, but don't outcast him either. Help him cast if you can, so he can save spell points/wands for when they're really needed.

Sorry, /rant. I am getting tired of seeing people in this game either ragging on clerics who think they're important, and players playing clerics who think they're the center of the universe. Seriously, wisdom is a central stat for a cleric for a reason.... ;p

They are not and should not be nanny-bots for ANYONE and similarly should not expect preferential treatment (especially if you built it only to be a heal bot, you end up needing others more than they ultimately need you).

I have deleted 2 heal bot clerics out of disgust, and now am rolling a melee/offensive casting/healing pure dwarven cleric, a 'mutt' Battle Cleric (that I mostly solo because of the understandable disdain most have for battle clerics in the current environment) and am getting ready to TR my wizard into a cleric/monk hybrid and I don't ever expect or realistically think I deserve any extra gratuity or deference.

I don't heal stupid tho, and as such, will not waste resources on a failed experience....if the group is not working together, or some are not geared for the content, I won't slow you down, cause I won't be there, or I will be carrying your stone around while I play.

[petegunn]

Please quit telling clerics they are God. Noobs tend to beleive it when you tell them they are important and someone needs them not the other way around.
I was speed leveling (for me anyway)a level 6 ranger when I saw a group up for Delaris normal so I swung by house P and bought 10 wands and joined the group. When no clecic hoped in quick I asked group if they were game with me healing the three others agreed so we made it about half way through part one when a rouge and a cleric joined. Decision was made to go back and get optionals so all would get as much xp as possible.
Any way we go in part two and all is clicking and all but the cleric make the jump to the chest. someone in the group tells him not to worry we will get it from the back side later and we all go on. But the cleric he puts in party chat that if we dont wait on him he leaves. Thought about sending him a tell letting im know how sorry it is to drop group in quest over something like that but decided why waste my time.
What a jerk. Who thinks anyone needs them anyway. Guess what we finished just fine with just one death (mine) at the end fight of part 3. The person doing the healing shoudent get agro of the wrigth lesson learned.
Then I got to thinking I have noticed a lot of this clerics dont need anyone everybody needs you talk on the forums lately. Please quit this not that I care about a cleric dropping but you are perpetrating bad play when you give bad advice.

You do realise by single handedly saving that group of sponges, in effect you yourself have become a god ?

[Anthem]

1. I think your cleric was playing a cleric for all the wrong reasons.

2. Too many players don't know how self-sufficient they are. Many classes can whip wands, and all classes can drink potions. They just don't, so they think they need a cleric.

3. Until a cleric plays other classes, they don't realize how self-sufficient others are ...er, can be.

If you're questing well above your level, clerics are often a make-or-break class for the party, but basic at-level questing is doable shorthanded and missing any class.

[DevKiller]

1. I think your cleric was playing a cleric for all the wrong reasons.

2. Too many players don't know how self-sufficient they are. Many classes can whip wands, and all classes can drink potions. They just don't, so they think they need a cleric.

3. Until a cleric plays other classes, they don't realize how self-sufficient others are ...er, can be.

If you're questing well above your level, clerics are often a make-or-break class for the party, but basic at-level questing is doable shorthanded and missing any class.

I agree. Although I am self sufficient I know the value of a good cleric and I never expect to be healed... I do expect that any class is played at the very basic level of the way it should be played and if you can go beyond that great.

Hey Anthem you are my God!!

IMHO this guy is one of the best clerics in the game and he is all mine... MINE!!!!

[Eladiun]

I have an M.D. from Jorasco, I am board certified in emergency battlefield medicine and trauma surgery, I have been awarded citations from seven different medical boards in Ebberon, and I am never, ever sick at sea. So I ask you; when someone goes into that rest shrine and they fall on their knees and they pray to God that their fighter doesn't recall or that their rogue doesn't bleed to death from trap damage or that their mage doesn't suffer acute neural trauma from feeblemind, who do you think they're praying to? Now, go ahead and read your Bible, _vindicater_, and you go to your church, and, with any luck, you might win the annual raffle, but if you're looking for God, he was in Prison of the Planes on November 17, and he doesn't like to be second guessed. You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something: I am God.

[Kerplunk]

I have an M.D. from Jorasco, I am board certified in emergency battlefield medicine and trauma surgery, I have been awarded citations from seven different medical boards in Ebberon, and I am never, ever sick at sea. So I ask you; when someone goes into that rest shrine and they fall on their knees and they pray to God that their fighter doesn't recall or that their rogue doesn't bleed to death from trap damage or that their mage doesn't suffer acute neural trauma from feeblemind, who do you think they're praying to? Now, go ahead and read your Bible, _vindicater_, and you go to your church, and, with any luck, you might win the annual raffle, but if you're looking for God, he was in Prison of the Planes on November 17, and he doesn't like to be second guessed. You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something: I am God.

+1, that was awesome!

[Newtons_Apple]

I have an M.D. from Jorasco, I am board certified in emergency battlefield medicine and trauma surgery, I have been awarded citations from seven different medical boards in Ebberon, and I am never, ever sick at sea. So I ask you; when someone goes into that rest shrine and they fall on their knees and they pray to God that their fighter doesn't recall or that their rogue doesn't bleed to death from trap damage or that their mage doesn't suffer acute neural trauma from feeblemind, who do you think they're praying to? Now, go ahead and read your Bible, _vindicater_, and you go to your church, and, with any luck, you might win the annual raffle, but if you're looking for God, he was in Prison of the Planes on November 17, and he doesn't like to be second guessed. You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something: I am God.

Nice adaptation - Malice I believe?

[taurean430]

I have an M.D. from Jorasco, I am board certified in emergency battlefield medicine and trauma surgery, I have been awarded citations from seven different medical boards in Ebberon, and I am never, ever sick at sea. So I ask you; when someone goes into that rest shrine and they fall on their knees and they pray to God that their fighter doesn't recall or that their rogue doesn't bleed to death from trap damage or that their mage doesn't suffer acute neural trauma from feeblemind, who do you think they're praying to? Now, go ahead and read your Bible, _vindicater_, and you go to your church, and, with any luck, you might win the annual raffle, but if you're looking for God, he was in Prison of the Planes on November 17, and he doesn't like to be second guessed. You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something: I am God.

Malice... I liked that movie for reasons I can't recall. But I will always remember that Alec Baldwin monologue. Might be cause I'm medical. Might be moreso because I've worked with too many surgeons who that epitomize that statement.

I'd rep ya if I could...