My Roach build. 16fvs/2monk/2paladin Comments/suggestions

[Trillea]

I would be very happy to see you post a build of the WF version with the rogue levels, I could try to work it out for myself but am at work and this sounds VERY intriguing...

[Steveohio]

For the WF version, I actually have 2 different versions. First one being:
2 Rog, 2 Pal, 16 FVS Lord of the Blades

My Starting stats: 34 pt version. Drop int down 4 pts and raise wis or dex +2 for 32 pts.
16/10/16/16/6/12

Feats:
Maximize
Empower
Empower Healing
Quicken
Toughness
Improved Critical(Epic SoS)
Skill focus: intimidate (can be what ya want this slot here, IMO, extend may be tried here)

Gear will mostly be the same, save for Docent of Defiance for armor slot.

Alternatively, I have thought about going 1rogue, 2monk, 17 FVS instead. This would allow use of wings, which would be the isht when docent procs, it also allows 2 additional feats. Allowing you to get extend, bullheaded, and skill focus intimidate. You also recieve an additional lvl8 spell, and +1 intimidate from enhancments.

As for which one I plan on doing, Im not really certain yet. I won't decide until my TR reaches lvl 14(1rog/13fvs) ans has both heal and blade barrier.

The extra 4-6 saves and +2 ab from going 2 paladin/2rogue looks nice and all, but wings, 6 more intim, extend spell, and a slightly higher AC are possibly more valuable.

[Trillea]

If they do go and change Paladin to get Intim as a class skill, I would definitely take the 16/2/2 over the 17/3/1 even though they won't get wings, although the wings ARE tempting. Hmmm.. Thanks for giving me something to think about..

[Steveohio]

if they add intimidate to a paladin as a class skill, then the best would be to stay 2monk/2pal/16fvs

Rogue was added on the WF version because you don't need the GTWF chain to have good dps, especially with epic sword of shadows. Plus it allows intimidate and UMD as class skills.

The benefits of Monk compared to rogue are much better with 2 lvls.

[quickbunnie]

That's a lot of research......to come up with the wrong answer. Here's where you went wrong:

"To be Centered, a Monk must...."

Don't confuse a monk's evasion with a monk being centered. You will still have evasion even in light armor as the above poster said. You will however lose wis bonus to ac, stances, ki generation, ect.

V

V is correct, but just to be clear:

Centered (monk weapons, no shield, no armor, unencumbered) - required for stances, ki generation, fast movement, slow fall, etc.

*Not-centered because of weapons (non-monk weapons, but still no shield or armor) - required for monk class and WIS bonus to AC.

Not-centered because of armor/shield - loss of all monk-specific bonuses, but evasion still works if wearing light armor or no armor

*Common point of confusion is that you must be fully centered to get the monk wisdom bonus to AC. In actuality, you cannot have a shield or wear armor. You can still wield non-monk weapons and receive AC bonus. This is done on purpose:

"The monk wisdom (and class) bonus to armor class should essentially function "by the book". This bonus should be lost if wearing any armor, using a shield, or encumbered. It does not check for ki weapons however - it's less restrictive than the monk abilities that require one to remain centered." - developer Eladrin
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