For new guilds and their leaders.

[petegunn]

What does the term 'birds of a feather flock together mean to you'?

For me it means you associate yourself with individuals that have certain characteristics and values in common.

I’ll give an example. In real life when I go out drinking I go out with friends who know how to behave. Whilst we’ll have a good time, we do so in such a way it doesn’t detract from anyone else who’s not connected to our group’s pleasure on their night out. This is considered the social norm and not many groupings will tolerate idiots in their midst.

How does this apply to my guild? If you have an open policy to your guilds recruitment, there is a greater risk that somewhere you’ll take in the server degenerates (those people that have been blacklisted as greifers and general trouble makers)

What implications will this have on your guild? You will find the doors of opportunity close on you and your guilds members. Not so important early in the game but very important when it comes to later raiding and harder questing.

Back to the question at hand ‘birds of a feather flock together’ generally good folk group with good folk and idiots will associate themselves with each other, of course there will be exceptions to the rule.

This post was inspired by a thread earlier which I now believe is closed. The person under the server scrutiny was guilded, so not only does his bad behaviour reflect on himself it also has a knock on effect to the guild and persons who belong therein. Just some food for thought if you’re mindset consists of bigger is better.

Thelanis is a small place, the guilds that count know each other and word gets out fast as to who the trouble makers are. Reputation is everything.

[Alter]

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[Renegade66]

Now, get the flock outta here.

[~Jules921]

Nicely stated.

Jules

[Tin_Dragon]

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True dat.

[weyoun]

Nice post Pete. You would think this is common sense but it isn't. Again its about reputation. For example, if a new player from a relatively unknown guild with a mixed wizard build loots the Sword of Shadows, they will take criticism for it. If someone from an established guild does it, they are collecting items for their next incarnation. I'm not saying the discrepancy is justified, but those of us with a long history in game and thousands of hours invested have a lot less difficulty explaining our looting rationale than someone who is new.

If you are a new guild leader and you see a post like the one the one this thread refers to, you should pay attention. Especially if you are trying to make a good name for your guild (I realize that this sounds odd coming from me). You will not find acceptance in established raiding guilds runs if your guild is known for bringing the drama and bailing on people. DARPA, Pestilence, Legion, Storm Lords, Two Kings, United, Archangels, AVATAR, BotSS, Maelstrom, Inferus Sus all group with each other and raid with each other every day. News of bad apples spreads like wildfire. Blacklists are adhered to by most members, just because not allowing someone into group is the easiest way to mitigate the drama.

[Gunga]

Am I blacklisted?

[weyoun]

Don't know your toon names Gunga. If you PM me them I'll let you know.

[DoctorWhofan]

Am I blacklisted?

Yes.










Ok, you are not, but someone had to say it.

You are not on any list of mine, but I run a semi-casual PuGging Guild so may not have played with you yet.

[Deadslug]

You will not find acceptance in established raiding guilds runs if your guild is known for bringing the drama and bailing on people. DARPA, Pestilence, Legion, Storm Lords, Two Kings, United, Archangels, AVATAR, BotSS, Maelstrom, Inferus Sus all group with each other and raid with each other every day. News of bad apples spreads like wildfire.

I AM ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!1

Okay, this thread perked my interest. You'll notice that there are a lot of guilds very well established, with good reputations and good players not listed above. This list should prove a couple of points including Weyoun's point. I would like to piggy back on his point. It should be realized that there are different playing styles and different types of guilds. Every single one of the guilds listed above here has a reputation for High skill players, successful raids, and high raid knowledge. Some of them (not all) have reputations for low tolerence of people that are learning, or people not as skilled as them. That reputation is not entirely accurate. They do not generally mind helping people learn, but would very much like to know about the people that need help up front. They would normally not like to find out about it as the quest they counted on finishing today is failing. Raids like the shroud people count on completing as they need specific high level ingredients, and collect completions for their 20, 40 and such. A lot of the players from the guild lists above are really great at their game, and have every right to be very proud of themselves. They're pride is deserved.
Second thing that really needs to be echoed is that these guilds talk amongst themselves. But it does not stop there. There are other guilds that are very close. Established guilds with good reputations. Reputations for maybe other play styles. For Instance: Umber Hulks. Crimson Nexus. Fellowship of the Golden Night. Order of the Sword & Rose. Dawnswords. The Exploration Society. Sword of the Forgotten Heroes. Bane. Giant Slayers Inc. ACME Fighting Co. Knights of the Silver Dragons.
Any given Night, I talk to Leaders/Officers/Members of all of these guilds. We exchange guild members, party members, raid spots, friends, info about good players, info about bad players.... We talk about everything the game is to us.
If you are giving yourself or your guild a bad reputation..... We'll discuss it amongst ourselves too.
I will confess, that I would not be considered by anyone to be an elite high lvl raider. I have completed the Shroud a couple of times, have my Greensteel tier 2 Greatsword and my Greensteel tier 2 necklace. I would argue that ALL quests Lvl 7 and below, I could be considered not only an expert, but a master. So what?? I have been having fun.
I'm sure there are many guilds that I haven't remembered to mention here, but there are countless mini-guild-alliances across Thelanis. Bad rep's race fast.

I'm Nineteen Zerothirtyseven, and that's what I think.

[Vint]

This morning I was running a pug Vision. Everything was going good, about 7 different guild tags. A certain player decides not to listen to the leader or anyone else and makes an arse out of himself. We got thru the raid without much problem but the fact others had to pick up the slack for this guy was ridiculous.

It really bothers me that we are called "jerks or elitest" for dealing with these buttholes. When you log on to the game By all means: go RP WW for 3 hours, zerj a quest in 2 mins do as you see fit, whatever makes the game fun for you. Playing with the above mentioned is not fun for me or anyone else. When we are forced to not mention names, all we are doing is letting these people ruin 30 mins or more in quest or raids