To the dirty basket last night

[petegunn]

What gives you the right to hit the alter in part 5 of the shroud? not allowing people to recall, then when called out over voice chat and typed party chat not even have the balls to own up. What a low life scum you are, I have my suspicions but nothing can be proven. Though rest assured you'll never party with me again.

[Waukeen]

This was one of my raids. We had a fine time, a bit of a hickup with the listening during the quest. Then about 3 seconds after I loudly declare the same line I always say after downing harry in part 5. "Do NOT touch the altar, we will give those who are leaving about 30 seconds to vacate..." DING* someone pulled it when pete was through the ddoor and not out the door.

This behavior is beyond rude, in any context... I wouldn't do this to someone that I hated.

All we could do was collectively speculate and narrow it down. The person at issue, denied it flattly.

I would think that if you have the stones to do this you would have the stones to declare it with a reason why you wanted to F#@! up someone's christmas.

Moreover, it sucks because I want to be able to put some faith in people I don't know (and guilds I am not well aware of) to hold up their end of the bargain.

For God's sake if you don't know what you are doing in any quest, DON'T Touch anything.

If you want to make the list of those who raid on this server, do **** like this. Do it enough and your whole guild can be blanketed as a bunch a flat leavers, who blight those they play with.

this still angers me, and it didn't even happen to me.

-Runix

[Waukeen]

In my shrouds, from now on, there will be no kindly casual wrap up and wait for people to leave.

We will be going back to the corner where we awaited Harry's descention.

That is where we shall wait until it is time to hit the altar.

I will NOT abide this happening during one of my raids again, even if I have to be a prick about it.

[Bunker]

I wanted to use that Line from the movie Trading Places - "It ain't cool being no jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving." But it really doesn't have the same ring to it over Easter Weekend.

Runix: We all know there are ppl out there that enjoy ruining other players days. That = fun for them. But don't let your BP raise over 1 shroud mate.

It is true though, a simple "i'm sorry, my bad, opps" and the ownership of the mistake and all would be ok for the most part. I mean, it is after all only 1 shroud.

Of course being that there is/was no response to the player in group that clearly made the error, I can see how something like that would be a bummer. Just don't let that ruin your weekend.

[SaisMatters]

I'd like DDO to put who does what in combat chat for levers and alters and necessary collectables that get picked up, ie-stones in hound. That way you can see who's got what and who did what. I'm tired of people doing stupid *$5# and not fessing up about it. We all make mistakes, but you should own up to them. It also doesn't help when there is people who's entire goal is to screw up raids and such for their own amusement. Letting us see who pulled the alter or picked up a stone and such would help clean up some bad players.

[Waukeen]

I wanted to use that Line from the movie Trading Places - "It ain't cool being no jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving." But it really doesn't have the same ring to it over Easter Weekend.

Runix: We all know there are ppl out there that enjoy ruining other players days. That = fun for them. But don't let your BP raise over 1 shroud mate.

It is true though, a simple "i'm sorry, my bad, opps" and the ownership of the mistake and all would be ok for the most part. I mean, it is after all only 1 shroud.

Of course being that there is/was no response to the player in group that clearly made the error, I can see how something like that would be a bummer. Just don't let that ruin your weekend.

Its just that whenever I start to get more casual and laidback about leading PuG raids something like this happens on my shift.

It seems that I must explicitly explain everything about every raid I lead, everytime I lead it. (understandable, but tedious)

I must also demand that players keep their characters away from things: pt 4 portal, pt 5 altar, hound stones, out of suulu's way etc.

Even when I make sure to tell them not to, they hit portals and altars, pick up stones, and run around like chickens with no heads.

So my next recourse is to police my raids. demanding people stay clear, and watching who does what at all times. (I had some fools drop a the cat first last week while I was on the ele despite obvious instructions and people nearby telling them not to.)

All of this stuff dissappoints me.

This is about what happened to Pete, that angers me. He is an awesome PuGger, and I should know who did this for certain, but I don't, which sucks.

Edit: the reason for the lull is that 9/10 of my raids go off without a hitch. I know my posts on these topics are not positive, I should keep a log of my PuGs and get the real statistics for these occurances, needless to say they are the exceptions not the norm.

[Phidius]

If I was the kind of person to not go for completion, I'd think that recalling would be the safer option... that way you have time to cancel the recall if someone hits the altar too quickly.

Anyone have an experience where they were still in the loading screen when someone hit the altar, and they got on timer anyway?

[Razcar]

Sadly enough I do not think the players that pull these kind of stunts read the forums.

I'd like DDO to put who does what in combat chat for levers and alters and necessary collectables that get picked up, ie-stones in hound. That way you can see who's got what and who did what. I'm tired of people doing stupid *$5# and not fessing up about it. We all make mistakes, but you should own up to them. It also doesn't help when there is people who's entire goal is to screw up raids and such for their own amusement. Letting us see who pulled the alter or picked up a stone and such would help clean up some bad players.

Good idea.

[begbie]

What gives you the right to hit the alter in part 5 of the shroud? not allowing people to recall, then when called out over voice chat and typed party chat not even have the balls to own up. What a low life scum you are, I have my suspicions but nothing can be proven. Though rest assured you'll never party with me again.

mmmm yummy Irie Whiskey... mmm

mmmm I still can't believe ya play considering the greatness of Guinness!?!

[Samadhi]

Here's the solution I use: Tell people that are leaving to leave when Arrae's at (80/50/30)% as is appropriate for overall group strength/speed.

[The10man]

Here's the solution I use: Tell people that are leaving to leave when Arrae's at (80/50/30)% as is appropriate for overall group strength/speed.

The problem is people are doing just that due to experiences just like this one and it (according to other forum posts not my experience) has led to some PuGs having trouble completing. Then they get a bad name for leaving instead of the dolt who caused the behavior.

[synkos]

I have never had such a bad experience but I have to admit I always fret when hitting that ddoor that I won't have enough time to exit and I always feel like I didn't properly thank the group for joining/inviting/playing when I rush out with only a few words.

Really sorry you had this happen to you Pete, maybe there is indeed a need for a change of the ending phase. Pulling back to at least the boxing corner would be much safer than people hopping all over the altar.

[Glorious]

Ouch I can only imagine the unholy terror of words that would have ripped from Pete's mouth when that happened....

That just sucks buddy...

I totally agree that all of that type of information should be available in some form in the combat log...

[weyoun]

/death ftw pete, and do it before harry is dead. or simply recall @10%. This gives you immunity from people like me, who tend to have jumpy altar trigger fingers.

[weyoun]

The problem is people are doing just that due to experiences just like this one and it (according to other forum posts not my experience) has led to some PuGs having trouble completing. Then they get a bad name for leaving instead of the dolt who caused the behavior.

People get a bad rap for dropping after part III not for leaving early in part V.

[gott_ist_tot]

I have only done the Shroud once, two days ago. From what I gather, you have to kill Arraetrikos
a second time and then click the Altar to complete (?) The group I was with refused to kill him a second
time, I suppose that was because of fear someone will click the Altar. It kinda sucked, because I really
wanted my first Shroud to be a complete run...

And now, just some thoughts:

I think it is possible someone clicked the altar in the heat, by a mistake which qualifies for

"i'm sorry, my bad, opps"

And I can see how trying not to lose reputation could prevent this
happening. Or just regular fear of standing in front of 11 angry people pointing their swords at him.
Just a possibility.***

It would probably be better idea not to put the stick into the ants nest, but I just don't know better:
I saw someone on the forums preaching completions are a better strategy than dd-ing out.
Are large ingredients guaranteed upon completion? Isn't it that large to medium/small exchange
ratio puts completing as the winning strategy for economical reasons?



***Thought like this are provoked in my small brain each time I see someone looking for a scapegoat.
Putting the blame on someone's conscious malevolence makes it easier to cope with grief.
But sometimes things just happen and we should accept that's noone's direct fault.
Not saying 100% this happened, but it would be nice to sometimes see 'oh, maybe he had a bad day'
instead of 'this ^%$# did it deliberately and I'm sure of it'...

P.S. What would happen if this person walked to you now and said 'Sorry, I did it by mistake but was
too afraid to admit it'. Would you, hm... forgive him/her?

[cdbd3rd]

I have only done the Shroud once, two days ago. ...

<snip>

P.S. What would happen if this person walked to you now and said 'Sorry, I did it by mistake but was
too afraid to admit it'. Would you, hm... forgive him/her?

Hmmm. Two days ago, the 3rd.
/Eyes Gott suspiciously.


.... "And you sir. Can you explain your whereabouts on the night in question, on or about the time of the alledged activity?"




(Hoping a couple days leaves room to poke a bit o' fun at the circumstances.)

[Razcar]

I saw someone on the forums preaching completions are a better strategy than dd-ing out. Are large ingredients guaranteed upon completion? Isn't it that large to medium/small exchange ratio puts completing as the winning strategy for economical reasons?

After you kill the Pit Fiend the second time, you will click an altar to finish the raid. All inside the quest at that time will get a raid completion and the raid finished. Clicking the altar also lowers a forcefield guarding two chests. In one of them there is a guaranteed large ingredient (altough I have gotten nothing several times).

Problem is that if you are leaving, and someone clicks the altar before you are all out (you can still be in the group, just have to be back in Meridia, you will get a raid completion, get on the 3 day timer, but will not get the last chests with the large ing. The Dimension Door takes you to the Shroud entrance point, where you will still be inside the raid(get completion and get on timer) but without access to the last chests.

[Chai]

In my shrouds, from now on, there will be no kindly casual wrap up and wait for people to leave.

We will be going back to the corner where we awaited Harry's descention.

That is where we shall wait until it is time to hit the altar.

I will NOT abide this happening during one of my raids again, even if I have to be a prick about it.

I have been doing this and it works great.

I also run fraps on many raids. I dont run fraps for this purpose alone, but it is a side benefit for sure. Sucks If I have to post a YouTube video of someone griefing shroud runs, after I watch them do it and they deny it, and hand out links via PM. This hasnt happened yet, but if I see intentional griefing to the degree I saw it in the past, it may be necessary. Petitioning in game staff got us a response to resolve the issue privately in the past. With fraps, no one can deny I said not to click, and they also cant deny they are the only person near the alter when the complete occurs. Sucks that this is how it has to be, but people made their own beds.

Ddoor gets tossed up in the lower right corner by the pool. People who dont listen and stand on the alter or near it dont come along next time. Its much easier to single someone out who is trying to grief the raid if they are going to run up and click.

That being said, if I am teaching someone the run, I usually know this before we even go in, and I dont have to deal with alot of this stuff. I have seen it a few times though. A human mistake is a human mistake. Griefing will not be tolerated.

[Eladiun]

I will NOT abide this happening during one of my raids again, even if I have to be a prick about it.

Being a prick for the greater good so a bunch of folks don't get screwed for a few is not really being a prick at all.

Teamwork and courtesy shouldn't be a bad/rare thing. Helping run people back if they are blown off on TS for example, I do this and don't really think I'm doing anything special just being a team player. I can run it blindfolded...and what it takes a couple minutes to be nice and help someone out. Some people are genuinely surprised...my feeling is we completed as a group everyone should get the rewards. How hard is it to take a few extra minutes to be a team player? Is it going to blow your xp/hour ratio?