I would first off like to acknowledge that this thread name has been previously used. At the time of my posting I did not know of that build. The original thread for "The Iron Monk" was done by a member named "Illuminati" and is in the ranger forums, hence my oversight. But now on to the build!
IronBudha
Race: WF
Class: Monk
Alignment: Lawful Good
Let me start out by saying I do not recommend this as a first-time monk build; however, the only thing that is absolutely required is a +1 dex tome for itwf and gtwf.
Since my monk turned lvl 20 I have been toying with several build concepts and ways to correct some of the mistakes i made the first time around. This build has transformed from a con-based monk into a str-based monk that tries to maximize hps without sacrificing dps. With the help of several community members this build has become fairly min-maxed, if you like ac and a high wis score turn away now you've been warned!
The idea behind this build is to optimize dps as much as possible while maintaining a respectable hp total. With this build your wisdom score and ac aren't going to be anything to write home about, but by maximizing strength you can forget about some of those worries because dead enemies don't fight back.
Final Stats:Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male (20 Monk) Hit Points: 386 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 20 Reflex: 16 Will: 11 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 18 25 Dexterity 16 18 Constitution 17 21 Intelligence 8 8 Wisdom 6 8 Charisma 6 6 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 7 29 Bluff -2 -2 Concentration 7 40 Diplomacy -2 2 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -2 -2 Heal -2 -1 Hide 3 4 Intimidate -2 -2 Jump 7 29 Listen -2 -1 Move Silently 3 4 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 -1 Search -1 -1 Spot -2 -1 Swim 4 7 Tumble 4 5 Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Jump (+3) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk Feat: (Selected) Toughness Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Level 2 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack Level 3 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Level 4 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 5 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 6 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 7 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 8 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 9 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 10 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 11 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 12 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 13 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 14 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 15 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 17 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 18 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 19 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 20 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Enhancement: Monk Serenity Enhancement: Static Charge Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane I Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane II Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane III Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane IV Enhancement: Touch of Death Enhancement: Porous Soul Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Winter's Touch Enhancement: Adept of Wind Enhancement: Grandmaster of Storms Enhancement: Master of Thunder Enhancement: Adept of Rock Enhancement: Grandmaster of Mountains Enhancement: Master of Stone Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV Enhancement: Monk Balance I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness I Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness II Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness III Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III Enhancement: Warforged Combat Training I
32 (+2 tome, +6 item, either +3 tome or exc str +1)
24 (+2 tome, +6 item)
28 (+2 tome, +6 item, either +3 tome or exc str +1)
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14 (+2 tome, +6 item)
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Hit Points:
160 - lvl 20 Monk
180 - Con score (28 con)
20 - Heroic Durability
10 - Draconic Vitality
40 - Superior False Life
20 - Toughness (from items such as Minos or unsupressed Quorforged)
66 - Toughness Feats (x3)
45 - HP crafted Greensteel item
40 - Toughness Enhancements
581 hit points (561 in wind stance)
Situational Max
581
40 - Mountain Stance
20 - Rage Pot
20 - Yugo pot
661 hit points
DPS:
(assumptions: +4 holy icy burst of pure good handwraps / tod rings with holy and shocking burst / bloodstone / strike of the enduring IV / sneak attack i.e. not main target of mob)
Hit: 2d12 + 1 (past life monk) + 15 (40 str = base + rage pot + titan grips psi clickie) + 8 (sneak damage from Tharne's goggles) + 4 (handwraps) + 8 (power attack with full enh line) + 2d6 (holy) + 2d6 (holy burst from tod ring) + 1d6 (shock burst from tod ring) + 1d6 (icy burst) + 1d6 (pure good) + 16 (ultimate earth strike) = 59-118 damage
Crit (x2): (4d12 + 56 (past life monk+str dam+handwraps+pa) + 12 (bloodstone)) + 8 (tharne's) + 2d6 (holy) + 2d6 (holy from tod ring) + 3d6 (holy burst) + 1d6 (shock from tod ring) + 1d10 (shock burst) + 1d6 (icy) + 1d10 (icy burst) + 1d6 (pure good) + 16 (strike of the enduring IV) + 2d10 (acid from strike of the enduring IV) = 110-240 damage
*Up to x4 multiplier with earth finishing move.
Saves:
12/12/12 - Base
9/7/2 - Stats
5/5/5 - Resistance
4/4/4 - GH
2/2/2 - Luck
1/1/1 - Alchemical
-1/0/0 - Crane Path (after WF Hardiness III)
32/31/26
Gear:
Helm - Immunity crafted Triple Neg helm (immunity to blindness, fear, and deathblock) [rest of immunities are redundant with WF monk]
Necklace - Shintao Cord (+6 con, +15 concentration, Shintao Monk set)
Trinket - Bloodstone (Seeker +6)
Goggles - Tharne's Goggles (True Seeing, Sneak Attack Bonus +5, Tharne's Set)
Cloak - HP crafted Min II cloak (+45 stackable hps, Heavy Fort, Prot +5)
Armor - Upgraded Quorforged Docent (+7 ac, +6 con, SFL, Toughness) [situationally use DOD or tanking DT armor with Levik's]
Ring #1 - Kyosho's Ring (+6 wis, exc str +1, Shintao Monk set, Holy Burst)
Ring #2 - Gnawed Ring (exc con +1, Occult Slayer set, Shocking Burst)
Gloves - Upgraded Titan Grips (+6 str, +6 additional str clickie, additional hp regen)
Bracers - Tharne's Bracers (+6 dex, Tharne's set) [situationally use Levik's bracers]
Belt - Vorne's Belt (Occult Slayer set)
Boots - Boots of the Innocent (+5 resist/ striding)
Notes:
Since it is a reincarnate build I don't feel I need to explain playstyle, but for DPS mode you would be in Wind Stance (alternating storm and earth strikes) and for certain tanking situations you would be in Mountain stance. The majority of your time would be spent in wind stance but maxing mountain stance is worth it if for no other reason than maxing earth strike (which is by far the best of the strikes, IMHO).
The feat selection was catered to maximize dps and to-hit while maintaining a respectable hp total.
The enhancements were chosen to compliment a dark path dps monk. By choosing crane path it should allow for the ki generation needed to rotate strikes in during TOD cooldowns. And WF Hardiness III was included to shore up the loss to fort save.
The gear was selected to cover all the essentials: +6 to primary stats, +1 exc to str and con, immunities, true seeing, additional hps, extra damage, heavy fort, prot and resist +5, monk ring burst effects, and still have room for as many set bonus' as possible. If you have any suggestions as far as gear feel free to let me know.
This is a fluid creation. This build started out as a concept for something kind of different from what I had traditionally known as a monk. I just want to create a build that performs well and I find fun and different, because if I do hopefully others will as well.
I welcome all advice and comments on the build. And thank the posters who have already helped me out immensely with the build!
Also feel free drop me a line anytime in game even if its just to say hi, I play on Khyber and spend most of my time on either Ironbudha (lvl 20 monk) or Thegodofwar (15sorc/2pal/2 rog). Thanks for reading!
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04-02-2010, 10:53 PM #1Community Member
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The Iron Monk - Reincarnate 34pt Monk
Last edited by Skriker; 04-04-2010 at 04:51 AM.
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04-02-2010, 11:21 PM #2Community Member
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I would go with 18 STR, 10 Wisdom isnt doing much for you and you are hurting your primary source of to hit and to damage by starting with a 16 STR.
Monks are a DPS class and should be built to do maximum dps, so every point of str matters. Also I would definitly reccomend Dark Path at level 9 or 10, nothing like 1 shotting red names and mobs every 15-30 seconds.
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04-03-2010, 12:05 AM #3Community Member
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have to agree with hydro.
if you do less damage, the longer time needed to kill the mob, the more damage you take, the more work for healers/repairmen.
btw why LG?
ps. madstone + finnishers = failure
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04-03-2010, 12:23 AM #4Founder & Super Hero
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Two words...
Power Attack
Originally Posted by Aelonwy
This^, in so many words, is how you say time and feedback on Lamannia are wasted. Originally Posted by Cordovan
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04-03-2010, 12:28 AM #5Community Member
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Is this serious?
How will you hit things?
Why light path on a WF?
Why all the hps?
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04-03-2010, 01:37 AM #6Community Member
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I think this might be more of what your looking for as to HP but also good dps for a monk.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male (20 Monk) Hit Points: 408 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 17 Reflex: 16 Will: 14 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Strength 17 24 24 Dexterity 16 18 18 Constitution 16 18 20 Intelligence 8 8 8 Wisdom 11 13 14 Charisma 6 6 6 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 8 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 8 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 8 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Balance 7 27 27 Bluff -2 -2 -2 Concentration 7 28 41 Diplomacy -2 -2 -2 Disable Device n/a n/a n/a Haggle -2 -2 2 Heal 0 2 2 Hide 3 4 4 Intimidate -2 -2 -2 Jump 7 30 30 Listen 0 2 2 Move Silently 3 4 4 Open Lock n/a n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair -1 -1 -1 Search -1 -1 -1 Spot 0 2 2 Swim 3 7 7 Tumble n/a n/a n/a Use Magic Device n/a n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Jump (+4) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Level 2 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Level 3 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Level 4 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 5 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 6 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Level 7 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 8 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 9 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 10 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 11 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 12 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 13 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 14 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 15 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 17 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 18 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 19 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Level 20 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Enhancement: Monk Serenity Enhancement: Static Charge Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey III Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey IV Enhancement: Touch of Death Enhancement: Fists of Iron Enhancement: Porous Soul Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery III Enhancement: Winter's Touch Enhancement: Adept of Wind Enhancement: Grandmaster of Storms Enhancement: Master of Thunder Enhancement: Adept of Rock Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV Enhancement: Monk Concentration I Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III
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04-03-2010, 05:24 AM #7Community Member
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Still have to push for 18 STR starting, I dont care if its one damage I am missing its still one damage. Not to mention the fact that it is +1 to hit which is really hard to loose. I went 17 con with plans to use +1 exceptional con, but if I pull a +3 dex tome I will LR and start with an 18 con and a 15 dex, or if I pull a +3 con tome... well everything would work out niceley then.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34 DDO Character Planner Home Page Metaru Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male (20 Monk) Hit Points: 406 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 17 Reflex: 16 Will: 11 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 18 25 Dexterity 16 18 Constitution 17 21 Intelligence 8 10 Wisdom 6 8 Charisma 6 6 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 7 27 Bluff -2 -2 Concentration 7 45 Diplomacy -2 -2 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -2 -2 Heal -2 -1 Hide 3 4 Intimidate -2 -2 Jump 4 21 Listen -2 -1 Move Silently 3 4 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 0 Search -1 0 Spot -2 -1 Swim 4 7 Tumble 7 27 Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Tumble (+4) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Level 2 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Level 3 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Level 4 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Level 5 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Level 6 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 7 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Level 8 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Level 9 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 10 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Level 11 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Level 12 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 13 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Level 14 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Level 15 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Level 17 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Level 18 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 19 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Level 20 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Enhancement: Monk Serenity Enhancement: Static Charge Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose II Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose III Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose IV Enhancement: Touch of Death Enhancement: Fists of Iron Enhancement: Porous Soul Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Winter's Touch Enhancement: Adept of Wind Enhancement: Grandmaster of Storms Enhancement: Master of Thunder Enhancement: Adept of Rock Enhancement: Grandmaster of Mountains Enhancement: Master of Stone Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV Enhancement: Monk Concentration I Enhancement: Monk Jump I Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III
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04-03-2010, 06:06 AM #8Community Member
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The name already exists - and it is actually a decent build unlike this one.
Your problems start here, but your premise is fundamentally flawed to being with
Originally Posted by Skriker
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04-03-2010, 08:29 AM #9Community Member
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Wow thanks for all the replies!
Hydro: Thanks for posting. Ya I definitely agree with you about bumping starting strength. One of my concerns with the build was the offensive capacity, and every bit helps. Dark path is a lot of fun and definitely what I would use to level up but with light monks in demand for TOD runs it's an even battle in my mind at higher levels.
sir_odin: Thanks for posting man. Basically went LG so I could use pure good handwraps, just recently bought +4 holy of pg with icy on them and I'm thoroughly enjoying them. But LN would mitigate some extra pesky damage later on hmmm. And thanks for pointing out my oversight with the madstone I was just hyped up about figuring theoretical maxes I'll remove it from the calculations when i revise the build.
Arkat: Checked out your build Arkat 2.0 the other day and it's well done, thanks for posting. I wasn't including power attack because of the already low to-hit the build would have compared to str or dex builds. But if I started with a higher starting str and used lvl ups in str instead of con I would definitely include power attack.
Creeper: Thanks for posting. Yes I was worried about hitting things as well I think the suggestions of increasing str are starting to outweigh the extra hp for me. I chose light path because no matter how small i do like the self heals and I like the finishers better such as aligning the heavens and grasp the stone dragon, but the increase to DPS from dark path is appealing. As far as hps goes the more the better for me at least, I have never found myself wishing I had less but plenty of times wishing i had more.
twoton: Thanks for taking the time to post a build! I like the direction you're going here, with the higher str I agree that power attack should have a place here and I'd follow the same lvling path as before for feats but just swap out a toughness at lvl 6. And if I were to go dark path I'd use close to what you have for enhancements, as much as I would like to have highest lvl of earth strike I doubt I'd have the ki to rotate it and fist of death. Overall very nice suggestions, man theres alot there for me to consider. Again thanks alot for posting.
Hydro post #2: Also thanks for taking the time to post a build! Haha yeah i hear ya on the +1 exc con bonus thats actually what i was banking on for the original posting but just used a +3 con tome to even out the numbers on the planner. But no matter either way im coming up on 20 runs for DQ and shroud maybe i'll get lucky and loot a +3 tome. Nice build though, I like the stats. Get a couple of exc bonuses or +3s and I'd be set. I agree with you about almost everything except WF:bludg at lvl 6. While +1 to-hit is always nice do you think it's necessary when taking the str route. Just wondering your thoughts behind this. Anyway I like it alot I'll prob follow those stats and hunt for +3's. Again thanks alot for posting.
Greydeath: I can't seem to find the other build named "The Iron Monk" if you could link it that would help me alot. I searched the monk forums and the character build forums but couldn't find anything. I named the build after my monk "Ironbudha" if I did copy someone else's build name it was unintentional and I am very sorry I would gladly add an acknowledgement to the original author of the name and/or change this name. I will agree with you that 5x toughness feats is probably overkill. Due to the suggestions here I'll probably go str based monk and just try to min-max my stat points as much as possible. I'd be interested to see what your thoughts are on how best to balance dps and survivability, if you could post a build for me to look thru I'd greatly appreciate it.
And lastly a question to hydro and twoton and to the rest of the dark monks out there. It's been awhile since I was dark path it seemed before I was just pooling ki for TOD. Is it feasible to rotate in storm strikes and earth strikes between TOD cooldowns and maintain ki?
And again thanks for the posts, each point presented makes the build better.Last edited by Skriker; 04-03-2010 at 09:18 PM.
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04-03-2010, 10:59 AM #10Community Member
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If you are a thoughtful person you will wish you had a lot less hps, on this build for example, when you hit things 15% less of the time (missing on 2s, 3s, and 4s.) because you put your level up points into con, and missing that extra +8 damage from power attack and that +3 damage from strength when you ARE hitting things on 2s, 3s, and 4s. +11 damage is a big deal. Originally Posted by Skriker
Dark path has only been out for a few months BUT you reasonably can hit storm strikes and earth strikes between TOUCH of death (TOD which I assume is what you meant by fod) even while in wind stance without oremi's necklace. Originally Posted by Skriker
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04-03-2010, 11:48 AM #11Community Member
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The Iron Monk was a build done by Illuminati a long time ago when monks first came out. It is essentially an AC Ranger build with paladin and monk splashes. Originally Posted by Skriker
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...ight=iron+monkLast edited by Fetchi; 04-03-2010 at 11:50 AM.
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04-03-2010, 02:06 PM #12Community Member
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First off thanks for bringing this ideal to the forums. I am getting close to TRing my monk for the second time and was stuck on the ideal of trying to hit around mid 50's ac. After reading your post and thinking about it and building a build to post I was thinking whats the point of ac at end game? ummm nothing LOL. Originally Posted by Skriker
And lastly a question to hydro and twoton and to the rest of the dark monks out there. It's been awhile since I was dark path it seemed before I was just pooling ki for fod. Is it feasible to rotate in storm strikes and earth strikes between fod cooldowns and maintain ki?
And again thanks for the posts, each point presented makes the build better.
To answer your question I find when beating on raid bosses and the like ( I havent started doing epic quests yet) you build up plenty of ki in windstance to rotate tier 4 windstrike and one other ki strike of your choosing before your TOD timer resets. Sometimes you may have to find yourself running a little behind on ki if your roll to many 1's in a row while waiting on TOD timer I usually just dont use the other two ki strikes or I just use one of them.
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04-03-2010, 02:10 PM #13Community Member
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You'll have more Ki than you know what to do with on Epic because just about every time you hit a mob it will be a crit because of weighted, stunning blow, dex damage, etc. Originally Posted by twoton
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04-03-2010, 02:12 PM #14Community Member
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I will be honest with a light path monk really is not neccesary for TOD, we have tried to use one on some of our Elite TOD + Sulu kill attempts but the monks usually never keep earth dragon up 100% of the time and personally I would of preffered the extra dps a STR based monk with Touch of Death would of brought. If its a normal run looking for a light monk... well thats probably not a run I want to be in anyways. With Mantle of The Worldshaper and Scarabs healers really shouldnt need to worry about being stunned, not to mention the Horoth tank should have enough HP to survive taking a few hits without a heal. Originally Posted by Skriker
Wow thanks for all the replies!
Hydro: Thanks for posting. Ya I definitely agree with you about bumping starting strength. One of my concerns with the build was the offensive capacity, and every bit helps. Dark path is a lot of fun and definitely what I would use to level up but with light monks in demand for TOD runs it's an even battle in my mind at higher levels.
Hydro post #2: Also thanks for taking the time to post a build! Haha yeah i hear ya on the +1 exc con bonus thats actually what i was banking on for the original posting but just used a +3 con tome to even out the numbers on the planner. But no matter either way im coming up on 20 runs for DQ and shroud maybe i'll get lucky and loot a +3 tome. Nice build though, I like the stats. Get a couple of exc bonuses or +3s and I'd be set. I agree with you about almost everything except WF:bludg at lvl 6. While +1 to-hit is always nice do you think it's necessary when taking the str route. Just wondering your thoughts behind this. Anyway I like it alot I'll prob follow those stats and hunt for +3's. Again thanks alot for posting.
And lastly a question to hydro and twoton and to the rest of the dark monks out there. It's been awhile since I was dark path it seemed before I was just pooling ki for fod. Is it feasible to rotate in storm strikes and earth strikes between fod cooldowns and maintain ki?
And again thanks for the posts, each point presented makes the build better.
I really just cant reccomend light path to any DPS monk. Touch of death is just way to usefull, being able to hit crit immune mobs for 500 damage is just amazing not to mention how usefull I find it for main tanking raid bosses. Touch of Death makes it very easy to quickly establish and hold aggro while tanking, almost as fast as a good barbarian can. Normally while tanking lets say VOD I wait until Sulu lands I hit him with a Touch of Death run over to the corner to get in position hit him with a second Touch of Death then call for people to come in. I have only once lost aggro while using this strategy once but it was from a STR based rogue that had 4 lightning strikes in a row go off from his kopeshes. Since then I have actually created a "threat" DT docent and I havent lost aggro since.
Weapon Focus Bludgeoning is somewhat needed for Elite quests and definitly needed for Epic quests. Monks just dont have the massive to hit a Barbarian or Fighter has and it frustrates me alott when I miss. Generally in epics I turn off Power Attack but for Epic Velah I can leave it on and as long as I am using my Shintao set I usually will hit on a 2 or 3. If monks ever get a PRE that gives us a few more points to hit I will probably drop it for another toughness feat but for now I feel its pretty much a required feat.
Ki generation is much better at 20 but it is always a fun game, as long as I am using my Oremi's neck I usually have enough ki to use earth strike 3 and 4 along with Touch of Death. Unfortunatly I prefer the set bonus given by my Shintao set and I dont have the Oremi ring. Normally I put on the Oremi neck when I need to generat ki then swap to my Shintao cord when I am sitting around 150 ki. I tried Crane path for a while and I liked it but I couldnt stand the loss in Fort saves. Crane path plus weighted wraps is basically endless ki though so this lifetime I am actually thinking of taking crane path to tier 3 and using the Warforged Hardiness 2 enhancement to help balance the loss in fort saves. I will be honest its really only Epic beholders that I had a problem with last life and I really am just spoiled by my barbarians 45+ Fort save and there really is nothing like being able to mash 8 different strikes and Touch of Death on stunned mobs in epics.Last edited by Hydro; 04-03-2010 at 02:25 PM.
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The funny thing about monk and handwraps are that allignment restriction don't apply, so use chaotic or pure good on a LN monk, makes no differen't. Originally Posted by Skriker
There is how ever 1 exception, the named HW from delera... better off with some normal pure good/holy ML 4 for delera (black bone skellies) than forcing the build LG.
However if you gonna use melee weapons, these rules apply (except greensteel, mindsunder and maybe some other)
The reason I hate good characters are all the archers wich have evil arrows (esp wiz king) and unholy blight, might be some other nasty effects that i don't know. and if you aiming for litany, N is the way.
LotD+Mentau+Wretched Twilight vs Bloodstone+Tharne's Goggles?!? if i only had the luxury to choose =)
well my monk is LG atm... did TR late one night and forgot to check allignment box, no worries ill get it right next life
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04-03-2010, 06:57 PM #16Community Member
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bit off topic
im guessing the reason you build around con is survability.
my tip is to use a DoD when you know the mob is stationary (most raid bosses) ticks of DR20 helps out a lot. (abundant step negates the cripple effect).
2nd get a couple of titanic docents, when you see your health dropping like a stone click it for DR30, even tho it doesnt last long it might shave off enough dmg to let the repairmen/healers catch up. Even a DT or GS with stone skin proc would help.
AoE spells shouldnt matter too much, 500++ hp and improved evasion your way safer than most classes.
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04-03-2010, 09:14 PM #17Community Member
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Ok changing the build around now guys feel free to tell me what you think. And thanks for all the advice!
Creeper:
I agree with you about the extra to hit and damage i'm switching the post over to str based as we speak. Ahh yeah thats it I got so used to saying fist of light i forgot it was touch of death thanks for pointing that out I'll edit my previous post. Originally Posted by Creeper
Fetchi:
Thank you Fetchi I'll put a short statement at the beginning acknowledging the name change and Illuminati and I'll edit the thread name ASAP. Originally Posted by Fetchi
twoton:
Thank you sir I'm glad you like the concept! Good to know, in the updated build I'm going to use way of the patient tortoise for hps but if i find i'm not maintaining ki as well as i would like I'll switch over to crane. Originally Posted by twoton
Hydro:
You make some compelling arguments, it's hard to argue with the extra dps the dark path offers. Alright i'm switching the build over to dark. Originally Posted by Hydro
Good point, if I find when I reincarnate and get to lvl 20 again that I am hitting mobs reliably in epic content I may switch it out for toughness. Originally Posted by Hydro
My thoughts exactly, I'll probably go tortoise as of right now but if I switch over to crane for the added ki I'll be using WF hardiness to shore up the loss to fort saves. Originally Posted by Hydro
sir_odin:
Hmm that i did not know I've only ever rolled LG for a monk I'll have to start a lvl 4 LN monk and throw him some PG hwraps just to test it. And there's only one set of named handwraps that i know of so I think you're talking about the "Devout Handwraps" from necro 2 they are +2 metalline of pg. As much as not taking that extra evil damage would be nice, I will probably stick to LG for simplicity sake and roleplaying reasons also I hate Abbot with a passion and don't feel like farming for a litany Originally Posted by sir_odin
The funny thing about monk and handwraps are that allignment restriction don't apply, so use chaotic or pure good on a LN monk, makes no differen't.
There is how ever 1 exception, the named HW from delera... better off with some normal pure good/holy ML 4 for delera (black bone skellies) than forcing the build LG.
However if you gonna use melee weapons, these rules apply (except greensteel, mindsunder and maybe some other)
The reason I hate good characters are all the archers wich have evil arrows (esp wiz king) and unholy blight, might be some other nasty effects that i don't know. and if you aiming for litany, N is the way.
LotD+Mentau+Wretched Twilight vs Bloodstone+Tharne's Goggles?!? if i only had the luxury to choose =)
well my monk is LG atm... did TR late one night and forgot to check allignment box, no worries ill get it right next life.
Ya i alternate between the docent of defiance and the upgraded Quorforged still need to get a titanic docent tho. I don't have too many issues with survivability now it's just when things go bad I just figured having an extra couple hundred hps might help me save a group or build up enough ki to rez a healer. Originally Posted by sir_odin
Wow well im updating the build, the build now its kind of changed into a hybrid between all of your suggestions with some of my own personal touches.Last edited by Skriker; 04-03-2010 at 09:17 PM.
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04-04-2010, 05:49 AM #18Community Member
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Shadow Crypt (9) - {The Necropolis, Part 2}(Delera's Series)
Devout Handwraps - (Weapon) +2 Handwraps, Metalline, Pure Good [ML:8, BTC] (Chest Room) NO REQUIRED TRAIT!
These ones is a 'must' have, unless you have some meta gr8 evil outsider bane and a holy ToD ring.
Return to Delera's Tomb (Delera's Series)
Devotion - (Weapon) +1 Handwraps, Flametouched Iron Threaded, Holy, Improved Devotion I [BTA, Good only, UMD:20 ]
these one are nice, but as a TR you prob have some Holy or Pure good HW ML:4-6
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Looks good man, I cant say for sure but last life Crane 4 seemed a bit overkill, might just want to stick with Crane 3 and pick up Healers Friend 2.
With Monk Recovery 2, Healers friend 2, and Leviks bracers (or DT rune) you will be sitting at 100% healing which I personally really like.
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04-04-2010, 07:33 PM #20Community Member
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hey there Ironbudha,
I've run with you a few times on my monk (Arcaea)
I think every monk should LR to min/max like this once they hit epic content, because AC and DC on abilities isnt worth it on epic mobs
I did a similar thing, except remained light based (because 500 damage strike isnt that much when your earth-finisher hits for 250 on stunned mobs anyway) and I'm almost always madstoned. You should add madstone to your hp calc's, I can self-buff to 700, and with reaver buffs almost 800.
even with base stats of 8WIS and 16DEX, they're up to 20/26 by endgame so you dont hurt your saves too much anyway.
so anyway, all the best with this build
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