A small plea on Behalf of all healer types....

[vVAnjilaVv]

Casters, rogues......or more specifically just in general......if u have a low amount of hitpoints please be aware that many monsters in this game cleave.......stay back or attack from behind.

I see way to many low hitpoint builds thinking they are safe because they don't have aggro and just standing there like a pinata. If u are in the path of such foes...they will hit...and probably kill you.

Yes stuff like diplomacy works to shed a monsters aggro but they are still going to hit u if ur in the way. Also if u do not have heavy fort by the time your in GH....don't even go into front line fighting. Moderate fort is not even good enough considering how hard these monsters hit if u have low hitpoints.

Clerics and healing Bards have a small mana pool when such players are in a group, and I have seen so many FvS that don't heal or only heal themselves...or heal very inefficiently because they think they have plenty of SP and are out before they know it.

I don't know about other healers.....but if u are this type of player....I WILL NOT heal you.

Thank You

[Impaqt]

Actually, mobs dont get glancing blows.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Actually, mobs dont get glancing blows.

Noted and thanks...I'll edit that.

They still cleave tho...and extremely hard.

[Consumer]

Either stop PUGing and find a good guild or suck it up.

[taurean430]

Could you define please what you mean by 'healing inefficiently'

I'm curious about your meaning there.

[hydra_ex]

Could you define please what you mean by 'healing inefficiently'

I'm curious about your meaning there.

Whole party has a tiny bit of damage. You decide to cast a quickened/maxxed/emped/eschew materials cure critical wounds mass.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Either stop PUGing and find a good guild or suck it up.

Pfft..whatever...if I came across as begging u got the wrong impression.

And no, I will not suck it up and spend insane amounts of resources to cover someone elses bad playstyle.


Find a good guild....lol.....that's funny.....every guild I have been in so far either is full of bad players with a couple good players here or there, who think that because they have numbers they will suceed or a bunch of attitudes that are just plain annoying to deal with.

Maybe I should have titled it differently, as this is actually more of a warning from clerics who won't deal with sloppy play and actually have money because they will not cover the expense of a sponge, instead of the healbots whining about being broke all the time.

EXAMPLE...running thru Vale to get to Ritual Sacrifice.

Rangers shouts, "whoa, I just got crit-killed!". I ask if he has heavy fort...says no, I offer to buy him a heavy fort item before we start quest...says he doesn't need heavy fort...

I drop group. TRUE STORY

No sorry...I will not suck that up.

[taurean430]

Whole party has a tiny bit of damage. You decide to cast a quickened/maxxed/emped/eschew materials cure critical wounds mass.

Ah, I see...

There must be more high charisma build FvS running around than I originally anticipated. Thanks for the clarification.

[Razcar]

Noted and thanks...I'll edit that.

They still cleave tho...and extremely hard.

Cleave Hard
Starring Bruce Willis as the Shroud Orthon

[vVAnjilaVv]

Cleave Hard
Starring Bruce Willis as the Shroud Orthon

WAIT! He was the good guy.......if he is an orthon who praytell plays the heroic LG Paladin in this Shavarath spin on things?

BTW.....When does Cleave Hard II: Great Cleave Harder come out?

[Fenrisulven6]

Either stop PUGing and find a good guild or suck it up.

*snicker*

what makes you think she's not talking about you?

[Dragonhyde]

All build types can benefit from knowing their surroundings even those with a hefty HP shield.

[Consumer]

*snicker*

what makes you think she's not talking about you?

My low AC barbs (which are not dps toons apparently) put on a mod fort docent at 6 and minos at 11/12. Keep seperate topics seperate, just because I have flamed you for whining previously doesnt mean you have to make false accusations.


Big numbers do not make a good guild, the guilds that are selective about who they recruit are likely to be far better players, I thought that would have been obvious but maybe not.

Myddo (zomg wut) will save you a lot of hassle if you insist on PUGing.

[Fenrisulven6]

My low AC barbs (which are not dps toons apparently)

Still confused, I see. No one said your barbs weren't dps toons.

What we said was that they suck up more mana on feeble mobs than two fighters doing the same job in the same amount of time.

You need a nanny-healbot to maintain your "huge" DPS.

just because I have flamed you for whining previously doesnt mean you have to make false accusations.

Oh please. Don't flatter yourself. You had a meltdown because we were poking fun at all the Leroy's out there. You took it personal.

Big numbers do not make a good guild, the guilds that are selective about who they recruit are likely to be far better players, I thought that would have been obvious but maybe not. Myddo (zomg wut) will save you a lot of hassle if you insist on PUGing.

Wow. Elite guilds are selective? Who knew? Captain Obvious wins again. Grats.

You are SO smart and we are all SO VERY PROUD of you.

[Slink]

For those of you having problems with survivability I proudly present SquishSplat.

She is str/charisma based 5 rogue/15 wizard and at lvl 20 has max points in repair(?) and intimidate incase the melee hit harder than her firewall.

This build is not for the faint of heart.

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Squishsplat 
Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Female
(5 Rogue \ 15 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 70
Spell Points: 779 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 4
Reflex: 9
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats          Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    20
Dexterity            10                    10
Constitution          6                     6
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             18                    21

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                     9
Bluff                 4                     5
Concentration         0                     0.5
Diplomacy             4                     5
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                8                    14
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  0                     1
Intimidate            8                    31
Jump                  8                    14
Listen                3                     6
Move Silently         4                     5
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                5                    23
Search                1                     3
Spot                  3                     6
Swim                  4                     5
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell


Level 4 (Rogue)


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)


Level 7 (Wizard)


Level 8 (Wizard)


Level 9 (Wizard)


Level 10 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Heighten Spell


Level 11 (Wizard)


Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 13 (Wizard)


Level 14 (Wizard)


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw


Level 16 (Wizard)


Level 17 (Wizard)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Repair


Level 19 (Wizard)


Level 20 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Enlarge Spell

As you can see, I only chose firewall and ice storm as those are the best at generating agro over a fairly large area.
I also invested some points into jump and took the heighten feat for leaping from high places.
Even with evasion, a 9 reflex save should make things challenging.
Enjoy!

[shadosatblackphoenix]

To be fair, no one really should have "low hit point". Rogues get a bad reputation for being so squishy, but its really the players that make them so far more than the class (especially since they can get improved evasion and very high reflex saves, which help a lot).

There is absolutely no excuse for ANYONE, regardless of race and class, to have less than 300 hit points, and 300 hit point is enough to straight up tank Harry (on normal, mind you) if you have at least one competent healer in the party, and this, regardless of how bad the lag is. Its not ideal, but at 300 hp there's no reason you should die.

Note that this is really a bare minimum, and most builds should strive for far more than that.

Now, what irks me isn't low HP people getting hit by cleave. Its people that are not tank-able (either high AC, or high hp, meaning I don't have to pay attention to them too much) running ahead and soloing mobs face to face in melee while everyone else are on other mobs. Thats a lot worse than low hp people getting cleaved: the mob takes forever to die since only 1 person is beating up on it, and its a squishy person doing it. Annoying! Most frequent offenders being str build rogues and glass cannon built tempest rangers. No soloing mobs in a corner please.

[Rav'n]

Cleave Hard
Starring Bruce Willis as the Shroud Orthon

Saw a Great Older movie last night... think it was the Shroud Orthon's debut Role...

To Cleave and Die in L.A.

[Krag]

To be fair, no one really should have "low hit point". Agreed. If you have "low hp" fix it immediately or do your server a favor and delete. Rogues get a bad reputation for being so squishy, but its really the players that make them so far more than the class (especially since they can get improved evasion and very high reflex saves, which help a lot).

There is absolutely no excuse for ANYONE, regardless of race and class, to have less than 300 hit points, and 300 hit point is enough to straight up tank Harry (on normal, mind you) if you have at least one competent healer in the party, and this, regardless of how bad the lag is. Its not ideal, but at 300 hp there's no reason you should die. The reason is called lag. 500hp are nrequired to feel somewhat safe.

Note that this is really a bare minimum, and most builds should strive for far more than that.

Now, what irks me isn't low HP people getting hit by cleave. Its people that are not tank-able (either high AC, or high hp, meaning I don't have to pay attention to them too much) running ahead and soloing mobs face to face in melee while everyone else are on other mobs. Thats a lot worse than low hp people getting cleaved: the mob takes forever to die since only 1 person is beating up on it, and its a squishy person doing it. Annoying! Most frequent offenders being str build rogues and glass cannon built tempest rangers. No soloing mobs in a corner please.
/SIGNED!
At the very least stay in range of mass heals centered on badass barbarian. Archers, I'm looking at you.

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[Raenef]

hehe just an observation I'm back from beta, and posts like this were going up all the time even then. Well I'm still gonna play my cleric, but I feel the same way. IMHO I wish everyone would roll a cleric and play at least to lvl 5, so they get an idea of what it takes to be a good cleric.

[uhgungawa]

Accually to all the people out there that think that Con is a dump stat